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Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:35 pm
Toy, they can't openly tell you the sites. No Admin can, it's part of the Terms of Service on most of the sites. In order to find out what these site URLs are, you have to be invited, which means you have to be a recognized FL server Admin.
Now as you've been asked, please don't push this matter too hard. The fact we are able to atleast for the first time openly debate the use and non-use of cloak is a major stepping stone.
Now as you've been asked, please don't push this matter too hard. The fact we are able to atleast for the first time openly debate the use and non-use of cloak is a major stepping stone.
Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:13 pm
Merlin - you are pushing it too far mate.
Search for uber shields first - see what you find. There is info on how to add items for sale to bases, so in theory put 2 and 2 together and you'll get 4. But do you see a specific about it? Let me know if you do, I'll change that for you. Same for the uber hull, and cloaks... and how to shoot through shields to destroy any ship in one shot. All client side, and some of them (the last ones) - undetectable to things like Ioncross.
Whether you like it or not, TLR took a responsible stance against those cheats in general - we would not circulate, support, tolerate or speculate as to allowing their use, distribution, discussion or otherwise on the site. Whether "most" servers have the correct anti cheat software is not of my concern - "most" isn't good enough, and servers shouldn't have to be FORCED into running unknown software like FLHook (which in itself, according to Louva, could potentially open a whole new pandoras box of problems) to try and keep their servers enjoyable. As per usual, people who desire something and think we are nasty for not granting it, don't always think in these terms. Perhaps you think "If they don't run the software, serves them right"... but I personally take an exceptionally dim view of that type of train of thought.
We're here for the community and therefore won't tolerate such discussions, so sorry if that doesn't match your desire. Please respect our stance, and try using google to search for it yourself.
Thank you.
Edited by - Chips on 2/18/2007 2:16:40 PM
Search for uber shields first - see what you find. There is info on how to add items for sale to bases, so in theory put 2 and 2 together and you'll get 4. But do you see a specific about it? Let me know if you do, I'll change that for you. Same for the uber hull, and cloaks... and how to shoot through shields to destroy any ship in one shot. All client side, and some of them (the last ones) - undetectable to things like Ioncross.
Whether you like it or not, TLR took a responsible stance against those cheats in general - we would not circulate, support, tolerate or speculate as to allowing their use, distribution, discussion or otherwise on the site. Whether "most" servers have the correct anti cheat software is not of my concern - "most" isn't good enough, and servers shouldn't have to be FORCED into running unknown software like FLHook (which in itself, according to Louva, could potentially open a whole new pandoras box of problems) to try and keep their servers enjoyable. As per usual, people who desire something and think we are nasty for not granting it, don't always think in these terms. Perhaps you think "If they don't run the software, serves them right"... but I personally take an exceptionally dim view of that type of train of thought.
We're here for the community and therefore won't tolerate such discussions, so sorry if that doesn't match your desire. Please respect our stance, and try using google to search for it yourself.
Thank you.
Edited by - Chips on 2/18/2007 2:16:40 PM
Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:13 pm
looks like they aren't alowed to discuss site addresses for place like that either
like they said some ambitious pain in the butt would probably get ahold of the info to easily that way and find ways to use it where they shouldn't
guess I'll just have to keep searching on my own for now then
SWAT_OP-R8R would it be possible for you to send me info on the cloaking mod for me to put on my server for admin use only?
As previously stated me server is called "Dark Magician's server"
It's fairly new and has several new save templates made for FLShell
I even make custom templates for players wanting to start as any particular faction that isn't available already.
like they said some ambitious pain in the butt would probably get ahold of the info to easily that way and find ways to use it where they shouldn't
guess I'll just have to keep searching on my own for now then
SWAT_OP-R8R would it be possible for you to send me info on the cloaking mod for me to put on my server for admin use only?
As previously stated me server is called "Dark Magician's server"
It's fairly new and has several new save templates made for FLShell
I even make custom templates for players wanting to start as any particular faction that isn't available already.
Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:43 pm
like I said earlier, who is going to say "here comes an admin with uber equipment, think I'll keep cheating so he can spot me"
nobody! that's who!
they aren't going to keep being obvious about cheats if they can seee you coming , now are they
if they can't see then you have a chance of spotting trouble easier
I hope you get the idea now
nobody! that's who!
they aren't going to keep being obvious about cheats if they can seee you coming , now are they
if they can't see then you have a chance of spotting trouble easier
I hope you get the idea now
Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:49 am
sorry about getting irrate in that one post awhile back
been feeling kinda depressed and sick lately and wound up venting some of my bad feelings in an inaproriate way
I usualy prefer not to cause trouble
I'll do my best not to make such irrate posts in the future
you heard that right Chips, I apologise for over reacting like that
I actually think you've done an awesome job with those tutorials I've read so far
I got nothing against you personally
was just feeling rotten and also got kinda frustrated looking for stuff I couldn't find
yeah I'm still interested in finding out anything I can but, I'll make sure to keep my cool better
guess it's best not to post when feeling that rough.....
Edited by - merlinthewizard on 2/19/2007 12:57:34 AM
been feeling kinda depressed and sick lately and wound up venting some of my bad feelings in an inaproriate way
I usualy prefer not to cause trouble
I'll do my best not to make such irrate posts in the future
you heard that right Chips, I apologise for over reacting like that
I actually think you've done an awesome job with those tutorials I've read so far
I got nothing against you personally
was just feeling rotten and also got kinda frustrated looking for stuff I couldn't find
yeah I'm still interested in finding out anything I can but, I'll make sure to keep my cool better
guess it's best not to post when feeling that rough.....
Edited by - merlinthewizard on 2/19/2007 12:57:34 AM
Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:35 am
>Whether "most" servers have the correct anti cheat software is not of my concern - "most" isn't good enough, and servers shouldn't have to be FORCED into running unknown software like FLHook (which in itself, according to Louva, could potentially open a whole new pandoras box of problems) to try and keep their servers enjoyable.
You miss my point.
1.) Having a cloak mod does NOT enable you to get a cloak on a server. You would have to "cheat" it first, to actually have it on your ship. And this info can be gathered from this forum quite easily.
Of course allowing discussions about how you cheat a cloak and then use it, is stupid. But banning cloak discussions in general also is ridiculous, at least since the last 3 years.
2.) Forced into running unknown software like FLHook.. wtf?
Please look up the facts before making such statements!
First, FLHook has no major anti-cheat features except of one that bans money cheater and another one that fixes a money-doubling exploit when the server crashes.
Second, in contrast to almost every other tool FLHook is OpenSource.
You might be recognizing now: Open Source <-> Unknown (Code)
But *please* continue to listen to Louva. Ive not yet seen any anti-cheat solutions of the EOA consort. In fact the Freelancer SDK is a huge security risk (omg, all the modders use it), if you want to bring the discussion to this level.
Anyways, I repeat: Cloak Discussions <-> Cloak Cheat Tutorials.
Changing a Cloaking Device to a Gun is not a cheat, it is a way to make it work in a given environment. The cheat is to actually GET the cloaking device on a server that doesnt allow it.
You miss my point.
1.) Having a cloak mod does NOT enable you to get a cloak on a server. You would have to "cheat" it first, to actually have it on your ship. And this info can be gathered from this forum quite easily.
Of course allowing discussions about how you cheat a cloak and then use it, is stupid. But banning cloak discussions in general also is ridiculous, at least since the last 3 years.
2.) Forced into running unknown software like FLHook.. wtf?
Please look up the facts before making such statements!
First, FLHook has no major anti-cheat features except of one that bans money cheater and another one that fixes a money-doubling exploit when the server crashes.
Second, in contrast to almost every other tool FLHook is OpenSource.
You might be recognizing now: Open Source <-> Unknown (Code)
But *please* continue to listen to Louva. Ive not yet seen any anti-cheat solutions of the EOA consort. In fact the Freelancer SDK is a huge security risk (omg, all the modders use it), if you want to bring the discussion to this level.
Anyways, I repeat: Cloak Discussions <-> Cloak Cheat Tutorials.
Changing a Cloaking Device to a Gun is not a cheat, it is a way to make it work in a given environment. The cheat is to actually GET the cloaking device on a server that doesnt allow it.
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