What I have figured out, with my work on a new form of OpenSP... is that, basically... new Factions will not offer Missions against each other, no matter what you do with the INIs, nor will FL factions who don't already hate each other. This is because the file Restart.fl controls this behavior. Newplayer.fl is used precisely once by FL... when a new game is started for the very first time after installation. After that, Restart.fl is used. And that file basically has a copy of Initialworld.ini in it (among other things) which controls this behavior... in single-player play .

In MP... initialworld.ini, etc., do exactly what it looks like they do. Which is why so many mods that feature new Faction behavior are MP only- until I discovered this stuff, nobody knew what was controlling this behavior, apparantly. I'm not quite done experimenting with Restart.fl yet, but I'm going to see whether I point FL towards a different copy of it through INI changes... so that mods can alter this stuff willy-nilly and use a better version of OpenSP.

I'm not sure what you want us to give you, err.. As long as each faction has been added properly with all of the entries in initial_world, empathy, faction_prop, new_char and mp_new..(whatever). Then you can get missions the same as all of the other factions as long as you add their names to vinigrette_params and, if you want to, killable_solars.

From the system side, you need to add a combination of different vinigrettes in order to allow missions by lawful on unlawful and missions by unlawful on to lawful. Its all do-able from FLE when you add the mission targets.

People usually recommend using the "Open" vinigrette type, rather than the "field". Though I usually use a combinaion of the two. If you want bases to be blown up and other things then choose open, if you want just ships then choose field. Its best to keep the vinigrettes as close to the base offering the missions as possible.

Mbase wise, try not to think of the four factions as a big lump, they are all separate. If your ships already fight each other, then they can offer missions ok. The lawfuls should all work at the same time. Try to keep the destroy_mission numbers the same as in other bases of the same difficulty level to guarantee you get what you want. Well, If you can add the mbase entry ok, i won't say much. I do use a generic format to my bases (cos i'm doing a big mod), meaning that all of my factions at the base are called by their Initial_world ids_name for the faction (its handy if you want to change the name later) and the bartender and other dealers are just called their basic job names.

Next, In order for the missions to work properly you are going to have to add the faction's names to offer_bribes. Otherwise, the missions will still work, but the text will have hole where the name of the faction is missing.
There is a tutorial written by Chips ages ago, but I can't seem to find its link in the tutorial forum. There was a post a little while back that had it in it, sorry, you're gonna have to find it.

Then, as Argh says you need to delete the restart.fl in the saved game folder. I'd delete the auto_save and the saved games if you have added the factions after the games were saved. I don't think it will crash, but it might give you a hard time.

If you have everything set up right in terms of your factions take a look at this, it may help

http://www.lancersreactor.com/t/forum/t ... e=&M=False

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This is for MP only..

ok to get new factions to offer missions against each other this is what you need to do.

Now i'm assuming that you have these new factions setup properly and they work etc.

in initalworld.ini you have the faction id, now the long name id is the one we want..

Now what you do is take this id whatever id you have for your new factions and add 131834 to it then tale the resulting number and put it into fled-ids and make sure it is free, take a note of it, then add 100 to that make sure its free then add 100 again, make sure its free, then lastly add 100 again, making sure that its also free.

ok with me so far.. ?
ok say your faction name is (cause i cant remember) lol badguys
ok so say your id is 196937 so you add 131834 you get
328771 badguys , now add 100

328871 the badguys , add 100

328971 badguys , add 100

329071 the badguys

hope your still with me as i aint explained anything before

ok next step..

data\randommissions\VignetteParams.ini

what i did here was i added my "good" factiosn the the lines that started with Offer_group = rh_m_grp

and the "bad" factions to the lines that started with Offer_group = rh_m_grp

Now remember to set the good ones as lawful and the bad as unlawful, setup you missions and they will work prefectly..

I got all this info in here from a Chip post but that was months ago and i cant remember wher it is exactly..

If this aint clear enough let me know and i'll try and expand on it.
I made this kinda to the point as if you've got your factions setup you'll probably know what i'm taking about..

i think i started my new factions ids around 196944 they cant go too much higher just wont work but there is a workaround if your stuck, thanks to Chips again.

let me know how you get on

also make sure you add the new factions to the mpnewplayer.fl

Edited by - unicornz on 9/7/2005 8:22:15 PM

OK, so far I follow all of you.

1. I've added faction names to offerbriberesources.dll (changed the ones for fc_c_grp and fc_ou_grp to match the new faction names).

2. I've added the new factions to a decent number of entries in VignetteParams.ini

3. Added new factions to KillableSolars.ini

4. Placed an experimental vignette, type = OPEN in an area with all four factions duking it out already.

So far so good... Now, I just need to get those pesky NPCs to show up on my bases (back to the Tuts for that) Here I have one question. Do I need to change anything about (example): misn = DestroyMission, 28.478237, 53.365005 in an NPC entry to make it match something specific from another .ini file?

Again, thanks for all the help so far.... this is the last step in this mod.

Oh, one other thing... will adding missions with the new factions involved crash SP? Just curious if I need to warn folks in the Mod script and readme.



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Destroy missiom 28, 58 is for a difficulty setting of D19. You can search through mbase for a similar system. To get the people in the base, do everything that you would normally. Remember that the base entries should be unique. Then copy evrything that you want to the top of the mbase file.
If you have a reference to a base in mbase that dosen't exist, it will screw all of the entries after even if thry are ok. By copying them to the top it will work ok.