And your putting it up to debate because................

I am sorry, but the fact that your asking shows that you don't really care that much to be honest, at which point - do whatever you feel is best for you.

umm, I don't think it's top secret knowledge if that's what you're getting at. Anyone who knows where their asteroids folder is can figure it out. I'd say release away.

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And your putting it up to debate because................

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Because it works online and we all know how people react to abusing a mod on a unmodded server

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I am sorry, but the fact that your asking shows that you don't really care that much to be honest, at which point - do whatever you feel is best for you.

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This is totally BS and uncalled for. I'm asking an OPINION on something that works online without the intention of making it work online.

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umm, I don't think it's top secret knowledge if that's what you're getting at. Anyone who knows where their asteroids folder is can figure it out. I'd say release away.

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Believe it or not, there are still people that don't know but only heard bits and pieces on how to do it.


Edited by - Revan Mariin on 4/14/2004 10:27:21 AM

I'm one of those that has only heard bits and pieces. What I'm saying is if someone already has the knowledge you're talking about it's not like you releasing a mining mod is going to give them the final key. If they already know how to get a "you know what" working, then they already have enough moding knowledge to stick it in an asteroid.

Of course I could be way off base as to what a "you know what" is.

I am afraid I do not know what a "you know what" is. 100% drop rate of scrap metal?

Nah not 100% drop rates. That wouldn't be fun at all. Most of them are increased but a lower result, or decreased but a increase of the amout.

example:
1 astroid field has silver
Shoot 5 pieces and get 2 silver from 1 debris. 4 debris gave nothing.
I change it to this:
Shoot 5 pieces, get 5 silver from 4 debris. 1 gave nothing. 2 gave 1, 1 gave 3 silver.

Okay, you know that the mod will show poeple how to edit mining if they didn't already know, whilst also making it clear that this works online as well. It doesn't take alot to then put 2 and 2 together. the thing that stops people is that we haven't really told anyone where these files are, and whilst some do know, it DOES stop all the mindless HUNDREDS of little modders who would LOVE to be able to mod these files and cause more trouble. Every day there are people being banned from servers because they have speed mods, and weapons mods on that were made, and are old (therefore before anyone considered the point of online problems).

I saw about 6 poeple get banned from a server last night due to speed mods. now the only reason why these poeple have speed mods is because they can download and use it without doing any work. Whilst this WON'T tell them exactly what to do, it will give them the 80% thrust in the right direction by showing them which files, and what the lines mean as well. After that, they just have to work out what to put in the space instead.

You asked for an opinion about releasing a mod that could very well have a detrimental effect. My answer was simple, it can be used "as is" to gain an advantage over others without being dectected at all.....OR it might help a few others (as you pointed out) learn how to do what they like. You realise the issue that it presents, and then want people to comment upon whether you should release it? Like i said, why? You are either of two types here.

1) The type that will do all they can to prevent the cheating on servers.
2) The type that doesn't really mind it too much - by this I mean that it doesn't really affect your online game THAT much anymore (thanks to Ioncross).

The answer to 1 would have been that you would never have posted it, you would keep the mod to yourself.

The answer for 2 is go ahead and release it, its NOT your fault if they change the files (not being sarcastic - being serious) - they KNOW they are not supposed to cheat online, so like i said - do whatever you like.

Hence my post, if you felt strongly about cheating online, then you wouldn't be asking about this, you would be keeping it to yourself. Its totally up to you, but last thing......

Asking the others? You might just get a totally biased reply as well - hence why it relies on YOUR decision. It doesn't matter WHAT others say, if YOU thought it was wrong - then you couldn't be talked out of it. If you thought it was okay, then you should ignore posts by poeple like me who would be posting "NO - its NOT fair on server admins that yet ANOTHER mod can be used to cause problems on their servers through no fault of their own". Hence, its up to you what happens, not us. All you will get is two lots of poeple trying to persuade you EITHER way.

You're right Chips, you're absolutly right.
Wether you believe it or not, my intentions were good.

This is something that won't be released.

Do as you please with this thread, lock or delete it.

I'm not at all certain what the big deal is. Anyone with half a brain could figure this out in no time flat. I don't play online so I'm not aware of how large the cheating problem is, but I thought they had server detection programs to stop cheaters from doing this sort of obvious stuff. If this is so and servers can easily ban cheaters for using a mod like this what's the harm in giving us SP only type folks a good mod that makes mining a more attractive option?

Edit = Sorry, but the more I think about this the more angry I get. I'm quite capable of making this mod for myself should I ever want it, however I know there are plenty of others that wouldn't have a clue how to do so. Some of those others may enjoy the mining aspect of FL as much as I enjoy the trading aspect. To deny people that play SP only the enjoyment a mod of this nature might bring because of a few slimy online cheaters seems wrong. I would really like someone to explain why the misdeeds of a few should take the enjoyment away from the many. Do we ban football games due to the violence of a few fans? Do we make National parks off limits because of a few arsonists? I say cheaters should be dealt with in a harsh manner but innovations of this nature should not be surpressed because of their behavior.

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Edited by - kaegogi on 4/14/2004 1:53:28 PM