I don't think that you understand it Code. We were doing it the CYOF 1 way, which is a game you didn't participate in. Myself and the parties involved with the attack on me chose to do it that way to save time. WE CHOSE TO IGNORE THE FA/CA/FD/CD SYSTEM! Instead, we chose to do the strategies system from CYOF 1. This was Wilde's idea, and no one objected at the time. If you objected to doing it that way at the time, then you should have spoken up.

The decision stands.

No one else gave me any battle stratagies on this battle and it is too late now as everyone knows what happened. So as I see it we only have a few options (and in the end it is jakob's choice by the way):

1. Accept the decision and live with it.
2. End CYOF 3 (DON"T PICK THIS ONE!)
3. Restart CYOF 3
4. Some players can quit over one stupid battle (DON"T PICK THIS ONE EITHER!)
5. Keep complaining (Please don't)
6. Restart to when before the battle started.

And maybe a few others. As I said, it is jakob's choice, not mine, so these were just suggestions.

Actually Roc, I *did* send you a list of basic battle instructions that would have (could have or should have) saved at least some of my ships (my HFs). You may not remember this, but it did happen.

As for the choices listed, I choose 5. There are simply too many problems with what has happened.

Umm first of all jacob, LF's don't carry heavy explosives, no lf's can carry torpedos and a few missile launchers wouldn't do that much. I had no problem with it when I thought it was also your bases. But you know what, this IS serious BS, I think it justifies a vote of no confidence in you as an admin, I think I speak for everyone when I say what your saying it bull****.

Codename, please post your ship stats and all attacks by you. You are absolutely right, you sent me some battle plans that I missed. So please post that stuff.

Roc, you could have actually waited for people to send you strategies. As I recall, 5-10 minutes after jacob posted the go-ahead for you to judge the battles you posted the results. Not enough time for people to send you their strategies. I personally was about to send you a battle plan for my battles, but I refreshed the page and there was your post dictating the battle outcomes.

And Codename's right, that move is illegal. We had nothing in the rules dictating you could self-destruct ships, NOTHING . Not only is it illegal, its also impossible. Heavy explosives my arse. "Heavy Explosives" couldn't wipe out...lesse...480 VHFs. Simple physics people. One explosion on one ship would send pieces of metal and ship flying everywhere, maybe the flames from it would burn a couple of wings, but it couldn't kill off an entire fleet that dwarfs jacob's in every case of battle.

And I choose five. The battle needs to be rejudged, with everyone sending in a strategy.

@ jacob: the fact is that roc posted the results only about 15 minutes after you gave the go-ahead to do it the CYOF 1 way. So in fact people could have sent strategies that would have saved their ships somewhat.

And I also think that its highly illegal, impossible, and complete and utter bull****.

sorry.

AND furthermore, in the case of Cambridge, Bretonia was so badly outnumbered that once their ships got close enough to mine and Triyun's to explode effectively, they would have been dead already. *Boom*. Similarly in the case of Omega 7 there were so many battleships against Bretonia that the majority of the fleet would have been downed by the time they got in range,

Edited by - Wilde on 1/9/2005 4:51:12 PM

I am really sorry guys. I should have waited for the rest of your strategies but i really wanted to get the battles over (as you can guess). I rushed it as I ony had about 10 miutes left and then I wouldn't be able to get on for the rest of the day. I am sorry. However, i don't know how to fix it. The battle cannot be re-judged as everyone knows jakob's stratagy. However I gotta know, how many of your stratagies involved having some ships hang back? Just curious. So any suggestions as to how to resolve this are welcome. I am sorry guys, I let you down

I choose 2.

I am very sick of this game anyways, and especially all the whining and flaming. Wilde, YOU were the one who was begging to do the CYOF 1 way, and then when it happens, you complain. You guys are just so full of compliants!

I really didn't care who won, I just wanted this as a last ditch effort to try and take you with me. What, if I took my bases too would it make you happy?

Geez, you guys are NEVER satisfied, are you???

It is crap like this that messed this game up from the get-go, IMO.

What is it with flaming me and Roc now??? Why are you doing this? We didn't cheat, and if you didn't get a chance to send results then I am sorry, but I doubt that you could have done much anyways. And if you re-do the battle, then MY plan is screwed up because you guys will already know what I have planned. No one can win anymore.

Just face it, EVERYONE's fleets are crushed, and in the words of Gunblader:
"Shut up and take your lumps!"

So let's just end it here, with all the factions reeling from the destructive battles. The only things that can happen if we continue this game are flaming and never-ending arguments. That is not how I want to play this game, and I would rather end this so we can all concentrate on the next one. These games are always outlived after a while, and I think this one has reached the end of it's effective lifespan.

I will give you some time to argue about this, since you love doing it so much, but this game will be ended soon.

Ok so CYOF 3 is over. And it's all my fault . I am really, really, really sorry guys.

no no no jacob you misunderstood me. I wanted to do it the CYOF 1 way, and have each player propose their strategies. Instead, you proposed yours. and the battles got judged. sorry but that's not really fair...

@ roc: Well, jacob could I suppose fight the battles, or have a different strategy...but that's up to him to decide.

Roc, you let NO ONE down, or at least you shouldn't have. It was these idiots who were clamoring for the results anyways, and when you were doing it, you wanted to get them the results as fast as you could. Now they don't like them, but that isn't your fault, since they were the ones rushing you.

As in the above post, I am afraid we only have 2 options now that are fair to everyone:

1. End CYOF 3, and get on with the next game.
2. Wilde, Codename, and Triyun sit down, shut up, and take their lumps. Only then can the game continue. (And I doubt they have the ability to do that. )

@Wilde- But my best strategy is useless! Not fair to me at all.

@Roc- They can blame you for whatever they want, but I hold nothing against you at all. (And it is not because you favored me in the battle, not at all.) You did the best you could, and that is all you can do, and I am proud of you for doing it.

I will never just "Shut up and take my lumps". You should all have figured that out by now. If I think something is wrong I will go on and on and on and on and on () until it's changed. I do agree with Jacob and Roc that we seem to have reached an impasse though. We really can't go back and redo the battles te CYOF 1 way as now all of the attackers have the advantage of knowing what Jacob's strategy will be. So I guess the game will have to end with no official resolution of the battles.

And Roc, for my part, I don't hold anything against you. You tried your best to be impartial. Some people (myself included) happened to disagree with what you did/ruled but no-one should bear any lasting hostility towards you over any of this. You're a good guy.

My Turn:

Move Westmoreland and 30 VHF to Cortez
Move Essex, Brighton, 50 VHF and 30 LF to Cambridge
Move 50 VHF and 50 LF to Tau-31
Move Redblood and 50 HF to Magellan

Place
1 Capital Shipyard in Cambridge
1 Fighter Shipyard in New London
100 HF in New London

Edited by - ww2jacob on 1/9/2005 5:23:46 PM