To all you PR people.. Part Deux

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:12 am by stevedroid

It's not just the quality of the textures, I mean heck that's a pretty high res generic hex grip wallpaper....it's the fact that it's GENERIC HEX GRID WALLPAPER. There's a total and complete lack of any texture design!

Sure you don't mind if the character textures were low res, but what if, say, there was some nice floral print where the guy's face should be! I don't think you'd be quite so happy.

It's like the modeler makes a nice complex model and hands it to the skinner, and then the skinner just picks like ten random generic patterns and schleps them onto the surface. I mean honestly can you look at that ship and believe it took more than 5 minutes to skin it?

Now to be true it doesn't look all that bad, but it definitely doesn't look realistic. The fact that it appears to be made of little more than some sheet metal welded together as a hollow frame doesn't convince me that it's a powerful space fighter. I'm just glad that only a few of the ships in the game share similar design faults....then again this is the PR build, perhaps they weren't finished skinning this ship yet.

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:16 am by ElectricBrain

@stevedroid:

That IS the one of the weaker fighters you can get. It isnt a powerful fighter.

I'd argue that it was made to look like that, too look like it was quickly welded together. Its civilian vessel, so you wouldlnt expect the higher quality work done by the govt.....like these:

Edited by - ElectricBrain on 18-02-2003 01:18:52

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:22 am by dredloch

@stevedroid

Do you have an example you can show me of a well done texture (screenshot) in your opinion..

I have never played IWAR2 or Freespace so I would not know the details of those ships.

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:25 am by dredloch

@EB,

What res were those screens taken at.. Is that how it looks in the game? If so, I am impressed

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:42 am by WingC3

I don't know what PR beta you're playing but build 1196 that I got has no such level 10 bug at all...I'm level 17. The graphics quite frankly are amazing....I don't know what you've managed to fly yet, but get out into the borderworlds a bit and I think your impression will change drastically...specifically by a stiletto or a valkyrie. I found tau-29 or 23 I can't remember which....just breathtakingly beautiful...I actually got shot out of the sky cause I was distracted...happy flying to all....If you liked privateer get ready for the time of your life

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:52 am by ElectricBrain

They are talking about mission 10.

I dont know what resolution they were taken in but that's what they definitely look like ingame. Check out some of the FL previews and see their screenshots. FLPortal has tons of screenshots too.

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:02 am by the_stampede

He meant story mission 10.

As for the whole texture thing, I think droid was just stating what he found disappointing. He still thinks the game's great. Like I play, and love, Battlefield 1942. But it's weak in spots.

Either way, I'll probably wind up lowering ship texture quality just to make everything that much shweeter

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:34 am by Maniac007

@stevedroid

I do not like the design of these particiular fighter series either, but take a look at some screenshots I have just found showing freespace 2 fighters in their bad moments:

and in contrast to that the weak FL fighter in combat:

Click here

It is as EB said: The fighter was probably meant to look "cheap" wether we like it or not.

Edited by - Maniac007 on 18-02-2003 02:37:17

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:04 am by Deviant

Well there goes my new years resolution... I'll have to agree w/ EB

. That ship is like THE first hunk of scrap you get... there's no shortage of detail on the FL fighter ship textures!

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:04 am by Kivuli

I maentioned this earlier in some thread. I haven't got any version of the game, but there seems to be some reeal differences in the quality of screenshots out there.

I have no idea whether its just the res that the image was captured at or what, but I do find it interesting to note the quality of the shots EB put up compared to Stevedroid's.

Maybe that's another thing about the pre-release, they don't have all the graphics options included.

Hence no tri-linear filtering, etc.

"If this is what you want to do, you'll do it, no matter how long it takes..........and usually the longer it takes the more fun you've had!"

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:07 am by Lev Arris

lol... those Freespace pics look ridiculous. That NOT how they look in the game that i'm playing right now! Looks like screenshot of the very lowest detail setting they could find. Wait, i will make some screenshots from how they ought to look like.

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Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:27 am by Lev Arris

Here we go. It was a little hard to get a decent angle form the fighters but you will see that the texture quality of Freespace 2 in general is much better than shown on the screenshots above. Notice the textures on the capital ships as well.

Enemy capital ship:

The rest of em as links:

Shivan fighter burning

Vasudan fighters

Another shivan capital ship

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"In all likelihood you're going to die out there. We're all going to die out there, but none of us needs to be reminded of that fact. So you die, you never existed."

Edited by - Lev Arris on 18-02-2003 03:28:43

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:44 am by dredloch

Those Freespace ships look like giant insects... how can you even compare those to Freelancers???

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:48 am by Lev Arris

It was about the textures and not the shapes. :p

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"In all likelihood you're going to die out there. We're all going to die out there, but none of us needs to be reminded of that fact. So you die, you never existed."

Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:10 am by Maniac007

I know my screenshots were not representative. That is why I wrote "[...fighters in their bad moments". But stevedroid's screenshot was neither representative for the full game.

Although, if you look at a higher number of screenshots, FL looks by far better than Freespace IMHO(!). Just look at the capital ship design and detail in Freespace 2....

However, I think EB's screens were not representative, too. Some screenshots simply look better because they try to show FL from its best side: high resolution, Antialiasing turned on, 32Bit Color, optimal distance to focused object, optimal lightening,... That is why there is such a big difference in the quality of the screenshots, just think of comparing a photo made by a photographer to a photo made by somebody else with a polaroid camera.

Edited by - Maniac007 on 18-02-2003 04:13:38

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