There is no more time, the game is gold.

God bless the FL joystick patch!

It's not over until they ignore it and move on to the next project... ya know... kinda like how they put out SL, and failed to patch the EAX and just went on to FL. Or how one of their employees promised, on more than one occasion, to release a mission editor, but then ignored it and moved on to FL... like that.

Deviant, you're a regular, you've been here for a long time. Why are you just now deciding to raise a big cloud of dirt on all this? Its far too late in the process to make any changes. This is pointless. Let it be, man, let it be.


"We're almost there." - Jorg

Joysticks are for consoles, if ya really like em that much go buy yourself a game cube.

"In closing, if you don't want to talk about joystick support, hows aboot you be a man and simply DON'T COMMENT, rather than closing discussions. No one is forcing you to post. WE are the victims here... WE are the ones losing out, and I don't see why it's a big crime to make a big stink about what to us is a big deal! Sure, the mouse works... sure, you don't NEED multiple instances of WMP..... but some of us really want it, and would hope that devs would CONSIDER THE FANS! But no, we're "Unimaginative" and "Whiny" and "compensate for our small Richards"... PLEEEEEEASE! If creativity is the only thing you need to enjoy a game.... then WHY WOULD YOU EVEN NEED THE GAME!?! That statement is childish... insulting our creativity. The fact is we don't LACK anything... like a hunter wants the feel of a trigger, like a writer might perfer a pen over a pencil, like a million other correlations, ALL WE WANT IS OUR STANDARD TOOL, and there's no reason we shouldn't have it. Excuse friggin' ME for wanting to let DA know how disappointed I am that they plan to go "sans stick"... to make them aware of how much it means to some of us. Until FL is released.... as long as there's still time, the request will be repeated. DA will NOT be able to say they didn't know..."






You are whining.

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DA will NOT be able to say they didn't know...

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Tell me you're kidding...please! I know you need a place to vent and there's nothing wrong with that. But to actually say Digital Anvil doesn't know about the joystick issue, that's almost like saying the people of the United State of American didn't know the space shuttle just blew up. We were saturated with that news, we've been saturated with the joystick discussions here on the website, and Digitial Anvil has been saturated with people complaining about the lack of joystick support in FL. Give the beta testers some credit please.

Bottom line, if you're going to complain about an issue, then give some respect to the VERY place that provides the place for your voice to be heard, in this case TLR. We hear you, as we do all the other 14398752098397 posts we've seen in the past year about joysticks. What exactly is it you want us to do about it?

Would you like us to stop people from complaining about all the joystick posts? Wouldn't we then have to stop the people the posting the joystick discussions in the first place? Not gonna happen, not on my watch. It's okay to disagree folks, but make your points and stay off the personal vendetta's to make them.

*sigh*

IMO most people are truly on the verge of breaking about this matter. Bargib has closed the most recent joystick thread with a very good and respectfully reason. Enough is enough !! Let it go.......please.....



" Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable "

this has gotten to the point where you guys should make a separate joystick forum if i were you i would seriously take this into consideration

I rule the world incognito!

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But no, we [... "compensate for our small Richards"...

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I didn't say it like that. It wasn't meant for people who really would have loved to have Joystick support in Freelancer (heck, i'm one of them!). It was meant for Aye Capn who stated that only a joystick equals flying and everything else does not which, imho, just ain't true.

"In all likelihood you're going to die out there. We're all going to die out there, but none of us needs to be reminded of that fact. So you die, you never existed."

My answer to "why" is simple:

Cuz you dont have to have your target in the middle of your screen. The mouse lets you fire anywhere in your screen, unlike the joystick config where you can only shoot what's directly in front of you. Can you imagine just using joystick to mine? YUCK! My wrist would prolly give out in an hour. You have a much wider shooting range. Also, it flows smoothly with the HUD and everything else.

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Stinger: I think you're misreading what I wrote... I'm not saying that they don't know people want joystick support... I'm saying they are ignoring us, and that they have no one to blame but themselves for discluding joystick support... that they "will NOT be able to say they didn't know..." because if they didn't know it would be the fans fault for not drawing attention to it.

They are not ignoring you or anyone else deviant!! the facts do not support it, again, give the beta testers some credit here, we raises this exact issue with them and they did respond.

if you ask for something, anything, and do not get what you want does that AUTOMATICALLY mean you're not being heard??? Come on! All that means is a decision was made on the subject that you may not agree with. But to say you're not being heard. Again, come on man!!

They responded by ignoring the issue... they responded by not putting effort into their fans desires... deciding to ignore a issue is NOT addressing a issue. I mean, we're not talking about a minor thing that annoys a few people... we're talking about a BIG deficiency that could be easily addressed.

MS: My position is not new.

D: Fine... I'm whining. From now on, everyone should keep devs in the dark about what they expect... happy? Didn't think so. And joysticks have LOOOOOONG been a standard in space sims, and for good reason. It's not like we're saying "No mouse, Joystick only"... you ****s have the jewels to say "Shut up... mouse only, no joystick... it would ruin the game". WHAT IS THAT!?! Like, where do some of you guys get off declaring that your desires should be upheld to the exclusion of all others? The fact is, DA is ignoring a bellowing request for joystick support... that should upset everyone!

This is exactly what I'm talking aobut Deviant. BOTH side of the joystick discussion need to get it to their own personal opiniuons, not take the opportunity to bash anothers perspectvie. Both side have be VERY mean in the past.

Lev: Fair enough... peace. It didn't read very friendly... guess I took it the wrong way.

I think what most of us joy-jockeys really want is the recognition that we ARE being neglected. Instead of "Man, I feel sorry for you guys who dig sticks... it's messed up that DA is screwing you." we get "SHUT UP! DROP IT! IT WOULDN'T WORK! YOU'RE STUPID!"... so we want to draw attention to the fact that DA is casting aside a section of it's fan base... YOU COULD BE NEXT!

AGAIN, you appear to be coming in a bit late but the verbal abuse has been coming for BOTH sides of the discussion Deviant, people in glass houses should not throw rocks

OK, since no one will say a darn thing about WHY a stick wouldn't work, I'll tell ya why it would:

Mouse:
X-axis
Y-axis
2-4 buttons
scroll wheel

Joystick:
X-axis
Y-axis
yet MORE axis
8-12 buttons
throttle control

Where's the breakdown?

Not all joysticks have the twist feature!

Yeah... and.... EVERY modern joystick has at a absolute minimum AS MUCH as a mouse has... most have more. FL doesn't require a twist.

Again, at the end of the day, I dig FL... it does work w/ a mouse, but I and many others would be a lot happier if they included joy support. IMO, It shows a disregard for the fans to ignore such a resounding plea. DA aside, I feel equally betrayed by fellow gamers who label us as "uncreative", "whiny", and "stupid".



Edited by - Stinger on 12-02-2003 19:49:10

Edited by - Deviant on 12-02-2003 19:57:04

Edited by - Deviant on 12-02-2003 20:00:36

Still, it would probably be a pain in the butt to use the joystick to strafe.

And the mouse is also much more precise for targeting/aiming at stuff.

Deviant - as I stated - if you have a problem with me closing a thread then feel free to EMAIL me, but don't start a new thread on the EXACT same premises and arguments. Come one... even while you've tried it, I can see no argument on how to solve the issues I mentioned. You only state that a car can drive in tranport somebody in different directions, and an airplane can do the same. That does not mean they work in the same way!

So I'm going to *click* this thread as well... It's my darn forum, and I'm sick and tired of these threads - again: if somebody feel like saying anything to this topic, please mail me first! If anybody feels like venting something about me closing down these threads - mail me!

Best Regards
Christian "Bargib" Koerner
Editor in Chief, The Lancers Reactor

Thank you Bargib