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Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:40 am

Because there is no way to prove concretely that anyone is right, so it can be argued for ever. And people love to argue. Just wait and watch the posts after this one

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I'm sick of seeing all your signatures and not having one of my own

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:53 am

You're wrong, bbrock81, people don't love to argue! Why are you always wrong??

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:38 am

hello people... i was asking what radiation does to your ship, nothing about black holes... i'm wandering who hijacked my post in the first place...i'm asking what radiation from the neutron star does to your friggin ship !! not black holes and gravity ! and i'm wandering right now.. if neutron stars are made of neutrons, what is the crab nebula made of ? crabs ?

presently, my world is upside down, so if u do not mind, u'll have to tok to my a$$

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:02 am

they are not only made of neutrons, they are made of neutronium ^.^

neutronium is a liquid super dense material, the gravity of the neutron star is so high that the atoms can only exist as neutrons, neutronium is so dense that there is no space for the electrons, so they are forced to fuise with the protons to neutrons.

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:41 pm

First our star will go to a black hole cos there is enough mass in the solar system. When it goes red giant it will envelope the whole solar system and the masses of the planets wil be added to the sun. Second the light waves losing energy is a theory and they think that the light waves energy will dissapate and become part of the black hole's energy. Basiclly the wave length will get longer and longer until it is virtually flat and unrecognisable. The wave may eventually escape the black hole but it will take a long time and we will not be able to detect it due to the length of the wave. (Trust me I've just done this in physics)


Hellalive rules!

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:18 pm

Not to disparage the amature physicists in here, but please don't post something that you "heard from a friend" or are just speculating and call it fact.

Neutron stars are the remains of stars with a stellar mass greater than 1.4 solar masses (1 solar mass = our sun). I do not remember the threshold for black holes, but I believe its somewhere around >3 solar masses.

A star's final or terminal phase is dependent on several factors, primarily its original mass. Then its affected by how much "blowoff" occurs during red giant and or nova/supernova phases. Blowoff is the term used to describe a sun jetting out its mass in the form of plasma, for example solar flares are a blowoff of immense proportions.

Some astrophysicists believe that pulsars are in fact extremely fast spinning neutron stars. Due to their high relative velocity and immense density, whenever their magnetic field comes in contact with matter in space, it sublimates it into energy (basically boosting the solid matter or gas into energy by acceleration) which gives off bright flashes off gamma and x rays. So to answer your original question, what is damaging your ship are high-energy gamma rays. Although, if they're getting through "shields" they would have fried the pilot long before your ship explodes.

Black holes are an entirely crazy subject unto themselves. They've never been directly observed, since they emit no light. Most astrophysicists agree that certain cosmic phenomena, such as the dual gamma flare phenomenon could be attributed to black holes. However, most people who discuss black holes on forums base their facts on artist's renderings of what they MIGHT look like, and are not actually PhDs themselves. One thing I find ammusing is that people tend to think of the event horizon as a disk, when in fact it would be a sphere or donut shape due to the massive warping of space-time caused by the gravity field. The basic anatomy of a black hole is this:

Singularity (the non-dimensional point about which all the mass of the black hole is collected)
Event Horizon (the circumference based on mass where nothing can acheive the escape velocity needed to get away from the black hole)
Corona (the mathematical edge of the event horizon where matter entering can sometimes emit photons prior to dropping past the point of no return)

Scientists have postulated about the existence of naked singularities in which for some odd reason, no gravity exists, that 96% of the universe is composed of unidentified dark matter, and even that black holes are "closed" wormholes (due to high gravity) that allow passage to another dimension. After all, if black holes exist, where does all the matter go that they accumulate? Many black holes tend to shrink over time, and since matter nor energy cannot escape their gravity, it has to go somewhere (i.e. matter cannot be created nor destroyed, merely changed in form).

Some food for thought at least.

Oh and the red giant thing. Yes, most suns (including ours) go through a red giant phase at the end of their lifecycles. However, what happens is that instead of being a rather solid makeup of plasma, the red giant becomes mostly gaseous, blowing off the atmospheres of the inner planets. It does not, however add the planets masses to its own when it contracts, since the contracting mass is mostly gas and there's not enough gravity to overcome the planet's orbits. In fact, what is most likely to happen in our system is that the inner planets are blown outwards out of their orbits, becoming rogue stellar masses. Jupiter and beyond are most likely unaffected during this phase, but once the star becomes a white dwarf, there won't be enough gravity to hold the outer planets in orbit and they too become rogue.

Edited by - Kaleban on 08-04-2003 18:37:14

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:12 pm

Well written and informative. LOL...you are right about us being "amateur physicists". I am only a physics undergrad majoring in Quantum physics, not astrophysics, though I read some modules on those.

About the black holes being closed wormholes, I think you may not be totally correct. When the G field of the black hole becomes too strong, the vaccuum around the event horizon will self-destruct. This means that matter and antimatter wil self-create in pairs. One of which (the antimatter) will be pulled into the black hole, causing it to lose mass, while its partner (the matter) will escape. This effect drains mass from all black holes. The more curved the space-time curvature, the bigger the effect. A sufficiently small black hole (thus curvature is very steep), time taken to evaporate it will be less then a millisecond. I didn't hear this from friends, I studied this.

Wormholes are merely seculations. They are in fact, naked singularities. The existence of such an entity would contradict the entirety of physics. Imagine you can go back in time and greet yourself this morning! But did you actually remember someone like "you" coming to greeting yourself this morning? Fortunately, none have been found so far, at least in our vicinity.

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:54 pm

kimk, its simple. The programmers made it so.

Vancolver, that's an interesting point. Is that for sure what would happen, or just speculation? The reason I ask is that the paragraph about closed wormholes and such is just speculation I've heard or read about. I'm not sure what we'd observe if black holes were self-destructing the areas inside their event horizons, but if it does happen it must equate with some observable event right?

Ah well, definitely interesting stuff though.

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:25 pm

I'm sorry if I was wrong but I was just saying what I have learnt from my text book, (I'm still in school) and what my teacher has told me about new theories.

Machine Head are godly

Post Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:32 pm

Hull damage occurs when radiation deposits energy in the form of a knock-on, which in turn, transfers its excess energy to the surrounding atoms in the form of vibrational energy (heat).

Post Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:20 pm

somebody please just take this question to Stephen Hawkings, none of you know what you are talking about

Post Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:24 pm

What exactly is "Event Horizon" ?

Post Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:00 pm

the event horizon is a imaginabel line and after crossing that line gravity is so strong that not even light can escape, its called event horizon because beyond that you cant see any thing happen.

Actually its a bit more complicated, because of some Hawekings theories but this will do.

Post Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:32 pm

Hi
what is an Aggressor?
I found it, and it was emitting radition
there was no light around
thanks

Post Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:46 pm

That is an abandoned wreckage. It's there because of the radiation. Your ship will join it if you stay in that radiated area for to long.

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