In theroy, it could work, however, someone recently tried this and it would kick one of them out. I would believe this to be because the server is reading 2 users from one IP address and may not allow this. It could assume that ne user is trying to create 2 players. Best idea would be to e-mail/MSN some one who runs a server and find out their requirements on this.

Yes, this can work. It can be tricky especially if you have a "noisy" Internet connection. By noisy I mean I have seen two brothers on two different 'puters behind a gateway play on Boston often enough but sometimes one or the other would be kicked off. Sometimes when one logs on the other gets kicked off.

Note: Some people, companies, etc. call them routers but the correct term for the box with a NAT server (firewall), log in script, DHCP server, filtering, DMZ selection, device between your LAN and WAN (Internet) AND router IMHO is gateway.

Yet these brothers are usually online connected to one server (mine) through one IP address (their's) because of their gateway. There is an option in some gateway's to redirect ports. So if one (or more or all) 'puters on your LAN are given fixed LAN IP addresses, you can redirect all but one of each FL client 'puter's port (usually 2303 OUTGOING) to another port. What the FL server sees is identical IP addresses through your gateway for your two or more FL client 'puters but each will have a different port. Thus except for "noisy" connections, the different ports ensure they never "cross". Good luck.

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Earendil
SysAdmin of Boston Freelancer server
Server community website & forum: EarendilsPlace.net (server rules)

@vrmlbasic

Very well worded this time. I commend you coming back and stating your problem a different way. No bitin' the heads off the people you ask to help and see what comes of it? Seriously, you done good!

My momma always told me you catch more flys with honey than vinegar..or something to that effect. :rolleyes"

First off, thank you Earendil for the help, but I have encountered another snag in the potential path to FL enjoyment. This forseen problem has to do with the internally jury-rigged (ie NOT illegal) method of internet access, a problem that has me lost in the tortuous world of networking.


The Problem:

Overzealous Aesthetics:
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/ 8-pt / \ (The Cable connecting to the router is the
/ linksys / / cable from Router2, and the \'ed cable is
/ router /_________ / the irreparable cable.
/_______/ / /
/ /
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CELING / / <-Cables
/ /
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/ / <--Cable Modem
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[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ /+++++++++++++
[ __/__
[ ______/ /
[ / _ /____/_
[ / { }
[ / { Old }
[ /--- { Compaq }
[ { Presario }
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(Top Half of Desk)

As you can no-doubt see from this masterful ascii depiction, the original modem-router cable was irreversably damaged, severing the entire network from the internet. Now, paying something for nothing isn't frugal, so I took the straight-through cable which ran from the O.C.P. (O ld Compaq Presario ) to the router, and 'forcefully migrating' it to the 8-pt router, turning the pike to the information superhighway for any & all computers residing above the celing. Unfortunatly, this left the ocp off of the network, a minor sacrifice for the gain, but as this severing of connection was treated like the loss of a limb, I was forced to capitulate to the (allegedly) indignant protests put forth. So, an alternate plan was needed, and luckily one was provided for me. The 8pt router had been acquired to replace the crowded 4-pt router previously in service, so I had the old 4pt'er lying around in storage. So, I hooked 4pt up as an intermediary between the internet, the 8 pter, and the coveted OCP. Thus, I have a router behind a router situation, which leads to problems such as overlaps with the 192.168.1.1 integrated management systems of the 2 routers. Both routers are made by Linksys, that joyous division of Cisco, though they contain different integrated software.

Any suggestions?

BTW, the dead cable cannot be easily removed, as it shares a celing conduit with the live cable, a conduit plastered over by an overzealous person on a quest for aesthetical perfection. Removing the drywall could damage the live cable, and it is unknown (to me) how far up the rabbit hole the White Death goes.

--VrmlBasic


P ost S criptum: You should consider integrating some sort of self-contained image system to accomodate those with no access to the virtual Trump penthouse. This effort would be a historical step forward in removing the loathed ascii art from forums everywhere. Someone has to lead, why not you?

Ok, an image system DEFINITELY needs to be implemented, the forum mutilated my depiction into something unspeakable, and the BBCode has to stop auto-inserting spaces after tags. That is very troublesome for the forum poster.

Assuming a standard, one-router setup, how would I go about redirecting these ports?

The most viable option I found was UUtp (?) redirecting, but I cannot go back to reference it as the 2 routers are locked in their perpetual power struggle of who gets the integrated management address. These routers should have more 'open-minded' software on them for accomodating unexpected situations such as this one.

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...which leads to problems such as overlaps with the 192.168.1.1 integrated management systems of the 2 routers...

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Allow me to clarify; are you saying that your routers have the same IP? If so, that's (obviously) part of the problem .

Also, are you using (or do your routers support) NAT? NAT should allow you to redirect external ports internally which may be of some assistance. As for resolving the "issues" () between the two routers, an unlikely possibility (which you have no doubt explored) is to disable the RIP capability of one of the routers.

How do I redirect this port?

Ok, let me clarify my problem. My brother And I both play freelancer avidly on the net... Normaly on different servers... We recently found a server both of us liked, and both want to play, but Like stated before, Whoever is on first is fine, but the second one gets blocked, more or less. Here is how I am connected to the internet:

(MY PC)--> (24 Port Enterasys Switch) --> (Linksys Wireless-B Router) --> (Motorola Surfboard Modem) --> (Internet (roadrunner)

The Linksys Router Acts as my DHCP Server, but I dont know how to get it to assign static IPs... Nor, can i get it to do port forwarding for anything...

Any help at all will be appreciated!

By the way, My Linksys Management IP is 192.168.1.1
And my Motorola Surfboard Modem IP is 192.168.100.1

They dont conflict....

My ip is 67.9.XX.XX (Thats what shows up when i go to www.whatismyip.com)
and the laptop gets the same (67.9.XX.XX) When it does it too... So we are both being routed through that 1 IP>..

Thanks,
Darc Marc

Edited by - darcmarc on 12/1/2004 2:33:08 PM

For the Linksys router, there should be a "Reservations", "Reserved Addresses", or similar option. By entering the MAC address of the laptop and the PC (which can be found by using "ipconfig /all" at the command prompt), you should be able to assign a different (and static) IP to each machine.

OK, but if i do that, then it only gets my LAN IP to be static... I still dont know where to reroute ports.

You should be able to enter the IP address in one box, and then simply select the ports that you wish to forward. Ie. enter the IP of the laptop, then enter the original port number such as 267, and then enter the forwarding port number such as 268. A better explanation can be found here. however I do not know whether your router supports port-redirection/forwarding, or which model you have. In any case, good luck!

Edited by - esquilax on 12/1/2004 6:12:46 PM

I have remedied the 2 router problem, and am now running on one 'centralized' router. Now, the problem is how do I redirect ports? I have taken the liberty of putting up some screenshots to give our avid networkers an idea of what I'm working with.

Remember that I have no clue what most of this stuff is, however I understand the basics such as DHCP serving. Thank you for taking that into account with your replies.

Port Triggers:



UPnP (Universal Plug & Pray) forwarding:



Edited by - vrmlbasic on 12/1/2004 6:15:08 PM

Edited by - vrmlbasic on 12/1/2004 6:19:07 PM

Edited by - vrmlbasic on 12/1/2004 6:20:05 PM

I dont see your photos... but you are trying to do what I am trying to do... I just want to forward the ports for one of my machines, so i can play on both at the same time.

vrml - I would ignore UPnP, and try the "triggering". The link I posted above may be of some assistance as it utilises similar terminology in the explanation.

If you are both attempting to achieve the same thing, may I suggest a collaboration?