Best of the Best?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:09 am by Gung_Ho

Ok this game really needs a ladder I think. An independant ranking of players that is independant of which server they play on. Every server has their dueling champs, but the open question has always been: Who is the best of the best? Are the duelers on one server better than the duelers on other servers?

Well there are ways to answer these kinds of questions. All we have to do is lay down some rules, and some groundwork, and begin organizing a ladder. First of all we need to establish some base criteria. I would suggest:
Individual matches are best-out-of-5 (to eliminate luck)
Duelers should require double elimination and/or be structured in a traditional 'heat' (to prevent one good player from losing to another good player right off the bat, preventing his move onwards)
multiple heats should be held on each participating server to pick 3-4 finalists, who then move on to a collective final between the best of each server. (kind of like: 1st heat, second heat, 3rd heat, 4th heat, semi-final#1, semi-final#2, final heat)
The process should not be quick. It shoud be planned each step of the way, and the players given sufficient notice each step of the way. I can imagine a ladder taking 2-4 weeks to sort out easily. A faster process would leave a lot of good players by the wayside.

What we really would need would be a bored website designer, a set of rules, and a squad of referee's to assist. Is this something we should be doing? I'd love to find out who the best of the best is. What's our intrest level?

Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:00 am by cowboyzach

I think thats a very good idea. i would love to gather some people to ref and stuff, i just cant make a site. i kno some realy good fighters also. i will help you out.

Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:55 pm by |Shodan|

I'd loveto join in a good fight. I suck at PvP but still like to participate. Hey people, it's a game

The only thing that I really don't want to see is people cursing and swearing because they lost a fight. Be a good sport and accept your loss. Don't start to tell people to F off.

There were 2 guys at the Calgary server that were in a GOOD fight with the TE's. No bad language, no cussing, no cheating. When there was a lot of lag, everyone stopped fighting and started talking to eachother. Complimenting eachother, making a few jokes here and there. Those are the fights I like to see or join. Thumbs up for these good sports and the TE.

Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:26 pm by ToddexUk

Well it sounds like a good idea to me,i wouldnt mind helping out.
I have a website(The Clan Pit)and i would be willing to post ladders/details and results there but i am not sure if it is the right kind of place for it.
I am unable to organize anything as life is abit hectic at the moment but would be able assist as ref/helper.
The traditional heat sounds good(rnd1,rnd2,qtr finals,semi finals and final)but i think this should take place on the individual servers that take part,then the overall winner of each server would then go to a designated server to hold the main event(rnd1,rnd2,qtr finals,semi finals and final....again) to find out the overall winner(Best of the Best).

Duelers should require double elimination and/or be structured in a traditional 'heat' (to prevent one good player from losing to another good player right off the bat, preventing his move onwards)

Well all names into a hat and drawn at random for first heat,that way if a good player loses to another good player its tough and they were not good enough at the time.
Anyways just a few ideas to throw into the pot,what do you think?
I have a few more ideas to toss in the pan but i`ll stop now as i have things to do

Edited by - [EFAToddexUK on 01-08-2003 13:21:41

Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:21 pm by Cryogenius

It's not quite the ladder like you're proposing, but one could concievably merge the players stats (see sig.) from many servers into a single huge ranking table. This would be relatively easy to do, but mods and cheats might cause a problem. Hmm... I shall have a think about this one.

It would be good to see a proper ladder like you suggest, because it concetrates on player-vs-player dueling, rather than how much money you have, or NPCs you have killed.

Cryo.

Cryogenius - Author of FLstat - Freelancer Rankings for the Web.

Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:04 am by Gung_Ho

Yeah, I'm not suggesting any rules be written in stone at this point. What I'd really be interested in seeing is some discussion on what types of rules should and shouldn't exist. Kind of an open discussion/brainstorming event on the topic. I think alot of people would love to see this kind of thing for various reasons.

The first question is: Do we want a pure ladder system, or do we want a series of regional finals (each major server) followed by a 'nationals' where the best of the best meet on a single server (kind of like the playoffs). In my mind the problem with a ladder system is that due to the need to level up a character on a foreign server our opportunities for crossover may be limited. Conversely, the problem with a 'playoffs' style of rankings is that each step in the process requires more organization and attention. If we can decide this issue we're already 1/2 done.

It might help if we brainstormed up an outline of what our rules should be, and what resources we would need to set it in motion. After some initial brainstorming what we can do is take the bull by the horns and draw up an initial rules-set and hang it out here for comment.

Wed Jul 30, 2003 11:19 pm by Regulator

Great idea! Of course, the need to level up can be solved by donations from players that are already there. I wouldn't mind leveling up and making some money to help with the donations. Only need about a million for each player, then the contestants can make the rest.

I think that the ladder games could be hosted on the different servers and the winners would move on to the final event server, rather than the pure ladder. The seperate server games could be hosted by the same person to help keep them uniform.

Dueling rule idea. Best out of 5 duels. First to reach 3 wins is the winner. But if the loser has 2 wins, he gets the chance to tie. If he ties then both of them move on. This helps to keep from losing good duelers.

Regulator

Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:47 am by 0bSiDe0

This is a fantastic idea.
I would love to see that as well.... a ranking based on skill rather than monetary value and net worth.

I'm in.

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:45 pm by Trajan

Are you thinking of a ladder or a tournament.

A Ladder, is a ranking system that changes continually as players die and other players kill them. But it has no structure except that of the players themselves.

A Tournament, is an event that is singular. It doesnt keep going.

There are problems with freelancer, and making a ladder. New servers arrive and disappear almost all day. So you could naturally only include servers that are

a) public
b) always used
c) have a good history of active players.

c)- I consider active as a member of the community. Not just playing online, but also talking in these forums aswell.

Cheating and modding would ruin the ladder, and therefore only servers that are mod-free 24/7 could be accepted.

I'm sure making the ladder wouldn't be too hard to do. But what stats would you rate it on? P-kills? money made? length of time on server without dying? Then also, would you go up the ladder if you killed other players on the ladder?

All sorts of questions need to be asked. But I have no doubt that they can be answered and things can take effect and start working.

Trajan

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:39 pm by Gung_Ho

This is what I was thinking. An interserver tournament might be a better idea, especially if it is monthly or thereabouts. A thread posting the rankings and final winners would go along way towards giving everyone the recognition they desire.

On the other hand, a ladder wouldn't be a bad thing either in the long run, but I imagine it would take a little more effort to organize. Perhaps we should be starting small at first (with an interserver tourney) and see how things evolve from there.

As far as determining the membership servers which will participate: I am thinking if we make a post asking for member-servers to sign up it might go a long way towards determining which servers will be involved.
Lets say the following criteria need to be met:
The server (or rather the playing public on a server) needs to be signed up with a simple post (by the admin or a representative player of some sort)
The new member-server must be able to produce a duel of their own, in conformancy with tourney guidelines, with a minimum of 15 or 20 participants.
A tourney official or refereee must be present for the tourney.

That's hardly written in stone. It's just in the intrest of getting the ball rolling. All contrary opinions are needed and valuable at this point.

Fri Aug 01, 2003 6:07 pm by 666heretic

(sarcastic tone) a ladder? come on give DA and Microsoft a break. they only HAD a few YEARS to make this game.

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Fri Aug 01, 2003 6:13 pm by StayOnTopic

Please keep your posts constructive and contribute value to the topic.

StayOnTopic- Please, post this to a pre-existing thread on your topic, or make a new thread only if none exist. This helps make the forum more useful for everyone. Edit in a link to your topic if you would like. Thanks.

Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:20 pm by 0bSiDe0

STAY ON TOPIC STRIKES AGAIN!

"To the last, I grapple with thee..." -Melville

Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:11 pm by Cryogenius

Well, it's not based on any tournaments, but here's a ranking table based on kills, including players from 12 servers from around the world. I'm still developing it at the moment, and I really need more servers to include. Any comments, etc. let me know.

Cryogenius - Author of FLstat - Freelancer Rankings for the Web.

Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:05 pm by Regulator

GungHo,
Rather than posting for servers to sign up, you should go on different servers and try to get the tourney's started. Can't really expect the admins to sign up their own server, as many of them are not active players.

I suggest starting on your own server and a couple others like Seattlebased, elite, and Argonia-Station. I would help, but my internet is down for now.

Regulator
USB/GOV Website

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