Well I've discussed the issue with several people, sorry I couldnt make it first hand, but I had a family occasion to attend, my apologies. Anyway, after discussing with NEO, and also with a few others, and with rezza, AND reading through the final results, I must say I dont accept it at a whole. War should go on anywhere, if it is declared, the only way you should be safe from a war against you should be while docked, period. I do agree with a kill is just a kill, and after a few PvP exchanges it should be over and done with unless under special circumstances. I also like the idea about holding vendettas. I guess holding a grudge and attacking on sight for a little while is OK, but it shouldnt last more than a couple weeks at best.

How's does those of us not in any clan fit into this world? Are we just cannon fodder to be preyed upon by clan members? (less Liberty space of course)

Seriously, I think it's great there are established clans and such. I just think it's more of a jungle out there now because of it. I might have to try out some of my more stealth-like exploratory moves on these clans.

It appears right now Stinger that the only place no one is safe from the runaway clan wars is mainly on ELITE right now. Most of the better, more enjoyable places to play are on other servers right now. It's sad that ELITE has been reduced to that state, but it's unfortunately true. So the folks not in a clan (or cannon fodder like you said) and the other smaller clans are resorting to enjoying FL on other servers.

Look at it this way, at least there are other places to go to still enjoy it. It seemed that the idea of the clans coming together to try to help keep ELITE an enjoyable place to play FL was a good idea. It's ashame that a few bad seeds don't wish that to happen. We pushed forward anyway and tried to help set at least a small standard that everyone could live with and still enjoy playing the game. Maybe more folks than not will understand and try to help.

Now........let the flaming commence!

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Edited by - Phantom Brigade on 12-05-2003 22:26:55

I think I'll stick to policing Liberty space for now. It's fun to blow up everything that moves and let the new people get the goods.

uuuuuuuuummm.........PB what are you talking about have you even played on Elite recently? Obviously not because i played all this weekend and there was no clan war and all in all it was a very enjoyable experience, so ppl who switch servers 'cause they cant stomache a little conflict every now and then (and that is how often it really is) are foolish for limiting themselves so much.

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tournaments between clans are a good idea.
Instead of going into an all out war clans can have tournaments to find out who wins the battle. In addition demands can be made by each clan. A basic tourney could be to meet in one system and fight for a set period of time with balanced teams from 3v3 to 5v5. The team that gets most deaths loses and has to heed to the demands of the other. This way we will know for sure who won the war, and not what people claim. Think about it, guys like NEO, OWL.

Also demands can be pretty big. Not just limited to money. A clan could demand an other not to go into a system or not to fly certain ships for a period of time. Wouldn't that make the game interesting on ELITE!

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No point trying to make a sport out of it

hey, its what FL was made for

some of you guys take this way too seriously....

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