No... I think the Titan just presents a much larger target than a Sabre or an Eagle, the differences in maneuvering are negligible, or at least not too significant.

quote: I got the Titan and i think the nomads are piece of cake can kill hundreds in a row of 4 really. I'm not saying the sabre sucks but the titan can also kill nomads without needing to recharge shileds you know. I'm doing fine with my lvl 10 brigade shield and 4 nomad cannons...
I can even blow up 8 sabre/titans of the computer without to much effort so pls stop this stupid talk...

good job, now if you tried or considered trying fighting them in the other 2 ships I talked about, maybe I'll actually pay attention to that comment. I've seen people die plenty of times with the titan fighting the nomads, then they switched to sabre and reported the fighting to be much easier.

lol killing 8 AIs... applause

have you ever tried dogfighting with the titan? with other players?

maybe the manuverability isn't that visible but it does affect the ammount of hits you take. Try timing a 360 spin staying still, then try it going at 80m/s max turn angle of course set something far away as a checkpoint like the sun or a planet.

Edited by - pb8185 on 12-03-2003 03:20:03

Hehe nomads are easy =)
Anyway never tried dogfight the servers i play on don't have any high level players that i havn't helped get that lvl so nope not yet but soon i hope others will be the same lvl as i'm..
i'm doing fine with my Titan there is nothing in the game i have problem with so why even bother for the moment?

I gotta say too that the makers of Freelancer was abit lame making the models of the 2 ships Titan and Sabre
http://www.eyeonstarwars.com/trilogy/ve ... huttle.jpg doesn't that Star Wars vessel look like the titan
And this looks kinda like the Sabre
http://perso.club-internet.fr/ghuray/images/x-wing.jpg
Oh well i just wanted to say that don't know why ignore this if you want hehe.

If you put the same exact weapons layout on the Sabre and the Eagle does one use more power than the other?...just curious.

After using using a Titan for 3 days (upgraded from a Sabre), I finally went back to a Sabre (using the old L10 consair shield, 2 x L9 sal2 guns, 4 x L10 nomad blasters, 1 x L9 skyB turret) yesterday night.

I think it all depends on individual preferance. I personally find it easier to hit and avoid missles using sabre. I got a L38 mission to kill the leader of Hessians but failed after 2 waves of 6 sabres + 1 waves of >10 sabre (and damn the leader is not even out yet, LOL).

I remembered I once tried to farm nomad weaps in the alpha zone (outcast zone) but got killed shortly with my titan coz I keep getting hit.

Some may like the heavy shield of titan but for me, I'll prefer sabre.

Edited by - Tyrone on 12-03-2003 04:23:16

I've flown all 3 ships and personally I like the Eagle best out of them. I like its looks and its manuvrability feels like a light fighter after you've flown a Titan or Sabre.

Hmm where did you find that lvl 10 turret? I havn't heard of it nor seen it...

probably the sabre by a hair, I tried to time it, but it's pretty damn close.

lol, didn't see page 2, this is diected towards zerogravity's question



Edited by - pb8185 on 12-03-2003 03:42:48

quote: Hmm where did you find that lvl 10 turret? I havn't heard of it nor seen it...

it's not a lvl 10 turret, it's lvl 9 turret and it's found in sigma 13 gmg station naha. btw, tyrone just proved me right

finished culling the pertinent info here for the subject of maneuvering.. not how big of a target they are or how well your level 10 shields handle nomads.

<Sabre>
mass = 75
max_bank_angle = 30
steering_torque = 43000, 43000, 63000
angular_drag = 41000, 41000, 41000
rotation_inertia = 8400, 8400, 2400
##############

<Titan>
mass = 150
max_bank_angle = 30
steering_torque = 43000, 43000, 143000
angular_drag = 41000, 41000, 141000
rotation_inertia = 8400, 8400, 8400
##############

<Eagle>
mass = 150
max_bank_angle = 30
steering_torque = 55000, 55000, 48000
angular_drag = 41000, 41000, 35000
rotation_inertia = 8400, 8400, 1000


Once again, without knowing exactly how the game engine handles each equation for movement, it's hard to say what's going to have the greatest affect in these numbers. For the sets of 3 values, it's probably safe to assume they are X, Y, Z values, though not nessasarily in that order.

What that data shows, is that the Sabre is indeed more manueverable than the Titan, as it has more turning force with less resistance. The Eagle has impressive numbers, except for Mass.. with twice the mass of the Sabre, it's potential performance is actually less than that of the Sabre. IMO, with the trends seen in the game, and common sense, the Eagle should have a much lesser mass than it does, and be more manueverable than the Sabre, but according to these numbers, that's not really the case.

The Titan's numbers have it looking like an absolute pig. When I worked out my nasty formula (basic force - resistance / mass), the Sabre rated 346, the Eagle 273, and the Titan a whopping 40! In my formula, I was just getting a rough estimate of performance per unit of mass.. the higher the number, the better the ships ability to move itself. The Eagle would've rated marginally higher than it is if I'd included Rotational Inertia in the process, but the Titans numbers go completely to crap at that point. It still wouldn't have come close to taking the performance seat from the Sabre.

Still looking for the Weapons power numbers - to be clearer, I mean the amount of energy available to fire weapons, and it's recharge rate.

I think one key thing your overlooking is the what appears to be the Z component of the data. As your data shows, the Eagle easily outclasses both. My theory is this affects how the ship handles moving up and down or any angle involving moving upwards and downwards which would explain why alot of people report that the Eagle is much more maneuverable. Just a question, have you tested all three vessels in game or have you only flown the Sabre?

Edited by - Rage on 12-03-2003 03:58:00

Far as mass goes, seems backwards to me. Eagle is alot less hull, would think it would be less mass than the two. Only logical thing I can think of is that mass relates directly to the turrets. Eagle and Titan have the same type of turret mount really.

So sorry, my typo, it's a L9 turret.