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Sound in space?

This is where you can discuss your homework, family, just about anything, make strange sounds and otherwise discuss things which are really not related to the Lancer-series. Yes that means you can discuss other games.

Post Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:52 pm

Karl Popper

July 28, 1902 - September 17, 1994. Austrian-born, British thinker, widely viewed as one of the twentieth century's greatest philosophers of science.

Founder of the theory of falsifiability as a criterion of demarcation between science and non-science.

Basically, the only way to prove that something is true is to disprove it. So, it current scientific dogma, nothing is held as a "Law" until it has been disproved. Therefore "Theory" is the correct scientific rationale as it holds for the possibility of the statement being untrue.

Hence Newton's Laws are Laws as they were disproved by Einstein's Theory of Relativity, however they still hold true in normal sub-relativistic space. However, Einstein's theory is still a theory as it has yet to be disproved.

Or in other words "The Earth is Round" is true because we proved that it was not any other shape, and thus is scientifically true.

"God exists" is untrue, because no-one can prove that he/she/it does not exist. Therefore God is non-science.

A little philosophy....good theory to read about, though his own arguments work against him.

K

Post Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:02 pm

The first post is not entirely correct.... sound CAN travel through space in two forms, one is light. Light can transmit sound (How do you think radio telescopes work?) Secondly, to contradict a second post, infinite speed is not possible in space, there is friction from photons, dust, gas, etc, etc, and that prevents any ship from perpetual motion. However, if you accelerate something fast enough, it will take a very long time to slow down (ie, the Lunar module 'coasting' to the moon).

Post Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:04 pm

I forgot the second means, sound can also be transmitted by bouncing off the very particles that cause friction in space.

Post Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:22 pm

Finger, pot, kettle, and black. Was Lynx trying to one up you and be a knowitall? Perhaps, but that is exactly what this entire thread is about. You feeling the need to inform people, the large majority of whom already knew, about this very basic fact.

Your responce to Lynx brings one word to mind, pathetic. You didn't appreciate Lynx clearifying something your all encompassing store of knowledge felt was unessecary, or simply missed out is fantastic. I don't appreciate you taking the holier than thou road over something that is largely common knowledge to anyone that has taken a highschool science course.

Perhaps you should take your attitude, and your infinite knowledge to an elementary school and enlighten those who may actually not know this, but you may be shocked, those elementary kids are getting more and more sophisticated each and every day.

To close, we don't know how big or small the universe really is. We can't see the end doesn't mean that there isn't an end. What we know really isn't much. Look at european culture, at one point they swore the world was flat, and you could sail to the edge and "fall off". Yes we are more sophisticated than our ancestors, but it still proves a point. What we don't know, we try to explain with whatever we do know, or think we know. In 150 years, they might be calling us silly primatives for our current views and theories.

Post Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:41 pm

"No, milo has it right. Theories aren't explicitly proven, they just stand up against scruitiny. After a good while (and many attempts to disprove it) when no one has been able to outright disprove it, it becomes 'proven', in a way. Simply because no one has been able to prove otherwise."

-Stregone


The bad thing about theories that stand up against scruitiny for long periods of time is.. People hold on, to tightly to them. Then when new light is shined on the subject and then the theory seems un logical based on new findings, Most people refuse to let go of it. General belive in the world is that "A theory that has held its ground for long period of time is Fact" And thats not the case.

Its very frustrating tring to teach people new things, That may conridict some belive that they have held onto so tightly.


-Jimmy Jammy Your Bald Headed Mammy

Post Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:51 am


Milo, I still think you are missing the point. There are laws and there are theories, theories are not fact, but rather unproven or rather un-disproved logical speculation based on scientific observation. Many of Einstien's theories are still just that...

I definitely agree that theories are not facts, nor do they ever become facts no matter how many times they are validated by the facts. A theory is just a model of reality, after all.

Yes, I guess I am missing the point. Tell me, what is the point?


--milo
www.starshatter.com

Post Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:33 am

Seems this topic has gotten very distant to anything relating to Freelancer, so moving to the Off Topic area....whoosh.....

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Post Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:29 pm

just wanted to have my say in this...
theoretically, there IS no so called friction in space. what will slow u down, i believe, is the gravitational pull of the stars and planets. unless ur trillions of light years away from literally ANYTHING, u'd be slowed down by gravity, and eventually, get pulled into orbit, even if its light years away from the source. its like the satellites orbiting earth. they slow down, they go into orbit, they keep slowing down until they aren't going fast enough to overcome the gravitational pull and start tumbling into earth. like comets that go around the sun, they go rilly near due to the gravitational pull, but their speed will eventually kick them outta orbit and into space, then slow down, and process repeats... and as said, there cant be sound in space, unless some massive space war blasts jupiter into pieces and we have bits of sulhpur, helium, hydrogen and rocks everywhere that we can actually get across the sound... and i dun think that'd happen for a long time from now...

Moose: watch out! missile on our 6!!
pilot(you):u r in the rear seat, and its at our '6' - u first.

Post Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:17 pm

Sattelites slow down because (generally) at their low orbits there is a little bit of atmosphere that causes drag, I believe.

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