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Water Power Finally ???

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Post Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:53 pm

Water Power Finally ???

Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water
Sep 10 05:35 PM US/Eastern

Burning Salt Water Discovery Could Also Be Cancer Cure Breakthrough


ERIE, Pa. (AP) - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.
John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen—which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit—would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."

Post Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:10 pm

I'd be interested to see what elements are released when it burns. Still, very cool find, driving your car down to the beach to fill up would certainly be a lot more pleasurable that the grubby local petrol station.

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:57 am

i believe this was the plot to the Keanu Reeves movie Chain Reaction wasnt it?

i wouldn't be surprised if he claimed it cures cancer too - oh wait, he did... i c...

personally i find news of a 5-10% gain in solar cell efficiency with no increased use of costly rare-earth elements much more exciting than the latest cold fusion debacle

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:46 am

I wouldmt be surprised if this wasnt what those " cold fusion guys " stumbled upon

Nature has a way of doing things simply and neatly that we do with alot of excitement and noise

What we do wit a flash and bang and nasty byproducts -- nature does with a few enzymes and finese

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:03 am

how exactly do radio waves break down the intramolecular bonds between hydrogen and oxygen?

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:09 am

good question Taw - there is a video demonstration on the net somewhere. the flame burns bright yellow.. hydrogen burns -clear- so whatever was heated and giving off incandescent light was -not- hydrogen. my guess? the salt in the salt water he uses is a much bigger molecule than water, and as we should all know from our science studies sodium glows a bright yellow when its heated in a flame i'm certainly not going to pretend to know how RF could heat salt, but i know there has been lots of research into using radio-frequency radiation to heat everything from syranwrap to gold for lost-wax casting (would you believe there's a 'safe' way to melt metal in your microwave? well, your 1000 watt microwave hehe) - my guess is that he's a whack job that thinks he found cold fusion when he's really found a method for direct desalination... maybe

if we equipped buses with stirling engines we could use our most plentiful renewable energy source, the hot air our politicians blow, to power them

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:32 pm

got a link?

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:27 pm

Heres the Link on You Tube and there are other Vids -- I dont know how real this is -- and deff dont want to get over excited --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM

But anything to get off of the OPEC and crude oil addiction would be nice

and he demonstrates it on a Stirling Engine -- theres a peice of irony ??

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:28 pm

*Calls from the shadows* But how much power is needed to create the radio-waves I wonder, and how much power is produced by the burnin' itself? I'd imagine that it would take far more to power the radio-wave generator than would be produced by the reaction itself, but that's merely a hunch. Hmm, I wonder if this has occurred to anyone else... I'll go and look.

Edit: Hmm, here's a site that concurs with my hypothesis: www.ecogeek.org. Interesting. Ah well, I'll guess we'll have to wait until the test and setup data is released before the efficiency and viability of the technique can be determined outside the laboratory.

Edited by - esquilax on 9/12/2007 6:37:08 PM

Post Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:27 pm

Valid point. Though it is certainly warrants further investigaion, if the radio wave can be produced more effeciently it could have a massive impact on the energy industry. Anything is better than oil and coal.

EDIT: Though when you think about it, any engine would still have to be a hybrid, unless they managed to produce more energy from the flame than what it took to power the RW generator....which is cold fusion nonsense.

Edited by - mustang on 9/12/2007 8:03:53 PM

Post Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:17 pm

"Anything is better than oil and coal."

wood? baby seals?



Edited by - Tawakalna on 9/13/2007 11:54:23 PM

Post Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:18 pm

Mmmmm, baby seals. yummy

sig? what sig? i see no sig....

Post Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:33 pm

I am certainly interested in the energy output produced from burning baby seals. Though I would be somewhat more facinated to see if these figures are skewed from burning your run of the mill pre-clubbed baby seal as opposed to a live baby seal. Certainly one would assume that the painful squirming and high pitched squealing procured from the frying live baby seal would increase energy output at least a few percentage points.



Too far? I went to far didn't I?

Post Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:03 am

sealclubbin', you're just sealclubbin'...

I would imagine that the thrashing of the baby seal(s) in a pool of meltwater would certainly agitate the water sufficiently for some sort of reactiont ot ake place, albeit that it's more likely to be Greenpeace activists cutting your googlies off.

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