Base on the Moon

Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:59 am by flybyu

"I believe that there is or at least was an international treaty against use of the Moon for military purposes, but we know how much international treaties are worth these days, don't we?"

Tell that to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Those people have lost everything. Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. All for oil/terrorists you make the choice. I bet they had more freedom before the U.S. attacked.

Back to the moon.
The thing is a space station well fall apart just like the last one. I saw it coming down it was very pretty. They need to put there money into something that’s going to last.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:16 am by Indy11

Since the current Administration does not believe that we actually have a hot house gas emissions problem or all that much of a pollution emissions problem, it stands to reason that ... just in case they are wrong ... they would want to invest the common taxpayer's money to create a safe place for the rich to go after it turns out that they were wrong about what was happening here on terra firma in the first place.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:40 pm by Cold_Void

three words: the orion project. one huge slab of metal & concrete + several guns for shooting atom bombs under the slab = the biggest payload ever lifted into orbit & the greatest amount of fallout ever released at once, its an awesomely BAD idea that would probably be the method of choice for the elite to escape. of course i'm wondering why rich people would leave the source of their wealth, to live like frontier-era homesteaders haha, but crazier things have happened.

space-program benefits to-date:
fuel cells
PC's
tang
liquid turkey
'astrobed' commercial ( wow spaceage technology!awesome! until you realize the spaceage ended decades ago lol )
frogs in space
star wars, bsg, ST, FL

Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:44 pm by Tawakalna

you forgot Teflon.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:52 pm by richard s

i recomend the temperpdic mattress but if you dont want to spend 2000.00 dollars then suggest one of the simmons world class mattress . every store has a different name for theryre beds anyway . i suggest a luxury firm eruo pillowtop is nice mine is named the abbotsford by simmons.

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:14 am by freighter fighter

Dont forget the space pen, nasa spent millions inventing it so astronauts would have an inkpen that works in orbit.

The soviets on the other hand, used pencils

Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:50 am by H.Q. Victor

For a base you need -
1. Food and storage for it
2. Water to drink and to be used to create oxygen and Hydrogen for fuel
3. A hydrogen fired generator
4. Materials to build a structure *Note there was a study years ago of useing water and moon dust cooked into brick form
5. Medical/Dental personel to be there.
6. Time, and lots of it

Title Microwave processing of lunar materials: potential applications
Creator/Author Meek, T.T. ; Cocks, F.H. ; Vaniman, D.T. ; Wright, R.A.
Publication Date 1984 Jan 01
OSTI Identifier OSTI ID: 6101999; DE85007223
Report Number(s) LA-UR-85-312;CONF-8410230-2
DOE Contract Number W-7405-ENG-36
Resource Type Conference
Specific Type Technical Report
Resource Relation Lunar bases and space activities of the 21st century; 29 Oct 1984; Washington, DC, USA
Research Org Los Alamos National Lab., NM (USA); Duke Univ., Durham, NC (USA). Dept. of Mechanical Engineering and Materials Science; Columbia Univ., New York (USA). Dept. of Engineering Mechanics
Subject 420200 -- Engineering-- Facilities, Equipment, & Techniques; ;LUNAR MATERIALS-- MICROWAVE HEATING; CERAMICS;GHZ RANGE 01-100;GHZ RANGE 100-1000;METALS;OXYGEN;SOLAR CELLS;USES;WATER
Related Subject DIRECT ENERGY CONVERTERS;ELEMENTS;EQUIPMENT;FREQUENCY RANGE;GHZ RANGE;HEATING;HYDROGEN COMPOUNDS;MATERIALS;NONMETALS;OXYGEN COMPOUNDS;PHOTOELECTRIC CELLS;PHOTOVOLTAIC CELLS;SOLAR EQUIPMENT
Description/
Abstract The microwave processing of lunar materials holds promise for the production of either water, oxygen, primary metals, or ceramic materials.^Extra high frequency microwave (EHF) at between 100 and 500 gigahertz have the potential for selective coupling to specific atomic species and a concomitant low energy requirement for the extraction of specific materials, such as oxygen, from lunar ores.^The coupling of ultra high frequency (UHF) (e.g., 2.45 gigahertz) microwave frequencies to hydrogen-oxygen bonds might enable the preferential and low energy cost removal (as H/sub 2/O) of implanted protons from the sun or of adosrbed water which might be found in lunar dust in permanently shadowed polar areas.^Microwave melting and selective phase melting of lunar materials could also be used either in the preparation of simplified ceramic geometries (e.g., bricks) with custom-tailored microstructures, or for the direct preparation of hermetic walls in underground structures.^Speculatively, the preparation of photovoltaic devices based on lunar materials, especially ilmenite, may be a potential use of microwave processing on the moon.^Preliminary experiments on UHF melting of terrestrial basalt, basalt/ilmenite and mixtures show that microwave processing is feasible.
Country of Publication United States
Language English
Format Pages: 18
Availability NTIS, PC A02/MF A01.

Opinion is, it is a waste of time and resources. The cost of resupplying the base would be VERY high, worse than the ISS.

Money can be better spent here on earth with all our planitary needs first.

Edited by - Finalday on 10/28/2006 11:01:46 AM

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:43 pm by Tawakalna

You're agreeing with me? well, that's my fun ruined

I was looking foward to a nice bit of curmudgeoning for the weekend. Curses!

Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:30 pm by Arania

I'm also agreeing with Taw here. A moon base (Or a colony on ANY planet, bar earth) is rediculously unfeasable at the moment.

For one, there is the obvious money and supply problem. A moon base (unless it was self-sustaining), would require constant support from Earth in terms of supplies, unless it had something valuable to trade back.
The only valuable comoddity that i have heard the moon of having is Helium-3 in the rocks (apparently, dont quote me on this, i heard it somewhere). Helium-3 is good for fusion reactions, but is compeltely useless to us until we get a viable and efficient method of generating power via Nuclear Fusion.

Not only that, there is the cost of lifting the mind-bogglingly large amount of equipment and supplies into orbit (This assuming that they had a spacecraft built in orbit with the express purpose of ferrying between the moon and Earth, which, although expensive, is sensible), not to mention the fuel costs to take them to the Moon (Again, assuming traditional chemical engines. Viable, Efficient fusion engines or some other cheap high-power drive would help here).

In the long run, yes, a Moon colony would be a very good idea to have as a staging point or a scientific research station, but it would not be very well suited to civillian operations. Mining and sciences, yes. Habitation? not a chance (gravity issues, along with the aformentioned supply problem)

Unfortunately, this trend is very common around the rest of the solar system. there are very few planets or moons that are suitable for long-term wide-scale habitation (Terraforming projects on Mars or Europa i think are the most likely for this, and they would take decades and billions of dollars to complete).

I would love the idea of a moon base (me being a die-hard Sci-fi fan), but i just dont see it being a very good idea, at least for another 20-40 years

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:58 am by Accushot

Dont forget the space pen, nasa spent millions inventing it so astronauts would have an inkpen that works in orbit.

The soviets on the other hand, used pencils

And that, I'm afraid, is an urban myth. Both the US and Russians used pencils until a guy named Fisher invented his self-titled pen and sold it to the space programmes on both sides.

As far as a moon base goes I would agree with those of you who support it, as long as it does provide some benefit. I would say the further exploration of space is such a benefit, but this is unlikely the foremost concern of those in charge. If, for example, the Russians started construction on a moon base tomorrow you can bet the US government would be unveiling their bigger, better US project that's been in the pipeline for years. Spending billions of dollars to protect the collective ego of a country is a farce, but spending billions of dollars exploring the solar system is something we ought to be considering.

Edited by - Accushot on 10/30/2006 1:59:50 AM

Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:55 am by flybyu

What are some of the things that could be done with such a base?

Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:05 pm by Cold_Void

well, provided that the resources are there...
A. refueling stop for outbound-to-mars shuttles and other long range trips
B. a ready source of concrete.... for building habitats?
C. a militarily advantageous position... the 'high ground'
D. a population of humans that could actually be quarantined effectively, should there be an outbreak of biotech warfare...
E. tourism - who wouldn't like to climb inside the apollo lander on the moon?

heinlein thought the moon could be colonized from inside, since its basically a huge rock the most widely-available material is duh- rock, which makes a perfect radiation/vacuum tight cave. solar panels on the surface would generate light inside for plants, and the resulting low-grav yield crops would help to feed earth, who would keep the moon supplied with nutrients and water(crops are dehydrated before shipping). as far as who to colonize it, i think we should send our best and brightest - all the CEOs, top-level gov't officials, and religious figureheads could be put on a rocket and given a one-way ticket to 20 years hard labor, digging tunnels. =)

Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:30 pm by Tawakalna

I should point out, colleagues, that Moon is in fact a British possession and you Amurricans ought to keep away. It was first explored during the Victorian period and you can find all the details in the novel First Men in the Moon - a thinly-disguised work of supposed fiction.

here's the proof, clearly showing a Union Jack and a dedicatory note claiming the Moon for Queen Victoria and the British Empire (upon which the sun has never set) his was taken during the Apollo missions when Amurrican spaceonauts descended from their space podule to the surface of the Moon, believing themselves to be the first men from Earth to set foot there, only to discover, once again, that brave Englishmen had preceded them by at least a century. Incidentally NASA has never admitted this just like they don't own up about the Martians or the Time Travel devices and so to this day most of the world believes that Amurrica led the way to the Moon. I'm also ashamed to say that there is also a colony of rabbits on the Moon due a botched space effort in the 1970s by a private British enterprise.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 11/2/2006 2:12:16 AM

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:55 pm by flybyu

Your picture did not come out. I'd love to see it do you have a link?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:01 am by git

hmm, wonders if my acre of moon will be worth anything. lol

anyone remember moonbase alpha? (space1999)

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