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To Mars within 3 hours!! --Theoretically-- ...

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Post Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:41 am

To Mars within 3 hours!! --Theoretically-- ...

I have to admit most of this is way over my head, but basically they claim that, if the theories are correct, the world has the plans for it's first kind of Hyperdrive!

Now this could all be a bunch of baloney, but I also found discussions about this and it's theories on other places, for example here on NewScientist.com.

Now, the theories behind all this are still debatable, so it could be it doesn't work at all, but IF it works, then this is pretty damn interesting indeed!
Either way, it will be interesting to see how they're gonna test the theories or the drive

Does anyone happen to know more about this? and more importantly: could anyone please confirm if this is genuine or just some elaborate joke?
There is a link to the original article on the bottom of this post.


Scientists moot gravity-busting hyperdrive
Mars in three hours - theoretically
By Lester Haines
Published Friday 6th January 2006 15:03 GMT


The US military is considering testing the principle behind a type of space drive which holds the promise of reaching Mars in just three hours. The problem is, as New Scientist explains, it's entirely theoretical and many physicists admit they don't understand the science behind it.

Nonetheless, the so-called "hyperdrive" concept won last year's American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics award for the best nuclear and future flight paper. Among its defenders is aerospace engineer Pavlos Mikellides, from the Arizona State University in Tempe. Mikellides, who reviewed the winning paper, said: "Even though such features have been explored before, this particular approach is quite unique."

The basic concept is this: according to the paper's authors - Jochem Häuser, a physicist and professor of computer science at the University of Applied Sciences in Salzgitter and Walter Dröscher, a retired Austrian patent officer - if you put a huge rotating ring above a superconducting coil and pump enough current through the coil, the resulting large magnetic field will "reduce the gravitational pull on the ring to the point where it floats free".

The origins of this "repulsive anti-gravity force" and the hyperdrive it might power lie in the work of German scientist Burkhard Heim, who - as part of his attempts to reconcile quantum mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity - formulated a theoretical six-dimensioned universe by bolting on two new sub-dimensions to Einstein's generally-accepted four (three space, one time).

As New Scientist explains, Heim's two extra dimensions allowed him to couple together gravity and electromagnetism, and permits conversion of electromagnetic energy into gravitational and vice-versa - something not possible according to Einstein's four dimensions, because "you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field".

Heim, then, proposed that "a rotating magnetic field could reduce the influence of gravity on a spacecraft enough for it to take off" - an idea which caught the eye of Wernher von Braun when it was first proposed in 1959 and the rocket scientist was working on the US's Saturn launch vehicle.

After the initial excitement died down, however, Heim moved on to other projects and his hyperdrive theory slowly gathered dust until the arrival of Walter Dröscher in 1980. Dröscher expanded on Heim's work, in the process reactivating two further dimensions the latter had originally discarded. Thus "Heim-Dröscher space" was born - an eight-dimensional concept of which Dröscher says: "If Heim's picture is to make sense, we are forced to postulate two more fundamental forces."

The said extra forces are: "A repulsive anti-gravity similar to the dark energy that appears to be causing the universe's expansion to accelerate"; and a second resulting from the "interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced". Crucially, it "produces pairs of 'gravitophotons' - particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy".

The groundwork done, Dröscher then teamed up with Häuser to produce the award-winning "Guidelines For a Space Propulsion Device Based on Heim's Quantum Theory."

So far so good - in theory. However, as NS notes: "The majority of physicists have never heard of Heim theory, and most of those contacted by New Scientist said they couldn't make sense of Dröscher and Häuser's description of the theory behind their proposed experiment."

Furthermore, Dröscher and Häuser's proposed practical experiment to prove their theory requires "a magnetic coil several metres in diameter capable of sustaining an enormous current density" - something which the majority of engineers say is "not feasible with existing materials and technology".*

So, Mars in three hours? As NS puts it: "Dröscher is hazy about the details", but "suggests that a spacecraft fitted with a coil and ring could be propelled into a multidimensional hyperspace" where "the constants of nature could be different, and even the speed of light could be several times faster than we experience". Then, he says, a quick three-hour jaunt to Mars would indeed be on the cards. ®
Bootnote

*Roger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico does think it might be possible, though, using an X-ray generator called the Z machine which "could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients".



Source article

Edited by - TerraN on 2/3/2006 2:46:50 AM

Post Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:07 am

I didn't read the article in full, but I do know that either NewScientist or Scientific American (may even have been both) ran a full article on it, so I reckon it probably is real (as you define it).

I'll find a link later unless someone wants to save me the trouble.

I'm not evil, I'm morally challenged

Post Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:46 am

if the theory were sound *it's not* you would still need a power source, and this is always more problematic than the actual propulsive systems - due to the fact that fission runs down relatively quickly and the rods need to be reprocessed and/or replaced, not to mention the monumental size of the heat sinks required for radiant cooling in a vacuum - i do not believe there will be any advancement beyond using reaction mass of some sort until there is a real breakthrough with a unified field theory - which is what this theoretical device would be running on

personally i favor the improbability drive

Post Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:30 am

sounds about as likely as *cold fusion* to me. it seems to rely on several postualtes that so far we know don't exist - antigravity and what are termed in the article *gravitophotons* - which presumably are something like the gravity particles that scientists are desperately looking for and haven't found yet.

love this..


A repulsive anti-gravity similar to the dark energy that appears to be causing the universe's expansion to accelerate


I thought the consensus was that expansion will continue infinitely but in declination?

Although reading the article again, one thing does come to mind. Spindizzies. If you've ever read Cities in Flight you'll recognise the spindizzy concept straight away. Nothing new here.

Post Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:51 am

So it is theoretically possible? they think, but cannot prove it.. or something. Sounds like science to me - woo hoo!

As it is, alot of theories are theoretically possible, including the space sail amongst others (movement provided by photons colliding with a huge surface area). Heck, we already have ion drives propelling our satellites - which sounded perposterous when first speculated... so here is hoping it can be acheived!

The question is when!

Post Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:03 pm

hmmm... I've asked around a bit and some friends with knowledge about stuff like this say that there is quite a bit of opposition against this theory... there are some flaws in it, or atleasts parts where other scientists disagree...

So will we see this anytime soon? very unlikely I'm afraid...


HOWEVER, flawed theory or not, it DOES seem true that above large superconductors, there's a slight, and I mean VERY slight 'antigrav', and nobody seems to know why... *insert X-files music here*

So who knows... even if this theory is flawed, the fact that there IS an 'antigrav' effect in the first place DOES make me wonder what we will discover in the future, either by new theories in this field, or by flaws in our current, accepted theories.

Stars, here we come! ^-^ (... hey, a man can dream, right? )

Post Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:22 am

the most recent rocket that shot the probe to pluto striked past the moon in 6 hours.. not much slower than the proposed hyperdrive.

new horizons


The 1,054-pound, piano-sized spacecraft is the fastest ever launched, speeding away from Earth at approximately 36,000 miles per hour,


moon is 238,897 miles away. this equates to some 6 hours on raw muscle.

this hyperdrive imo, if possible, when refined, will, imo, take us out of the solar system in less time than it'd take you to go to the bathroom.

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