i'd go for the Ford Model-T simulator if I was you, with your internet connection. I think you got up to a blistering 33.6Kbps the other night.

didn't I tell you Taw? I'm getting two extra slaves for my bday, should be able to push it up to about 40Kb/s

try the live for speed 2 beta...most realistic driving experiance ever, none of the cars exist though.

Pfft, Model T. Far too fast, for real lack of speed you want the new Roman Slave-Driven Cart Sim II.I. The slaves curse you in Latin, then you can kill them with no legal problems. It's the epitome of slow.

akshuly I play GP4 and Colin Mcrae Rallye. Indycar and Nascar are insane, but I'd like a proper European GT game that does Le Mans 24hrs and Mille Miglia, and in which you could use 1940s/50s/60s cars.

if you like vintage racing or a great choice of cars you might have a look at the upcoming World Racing 2 (WR1 was crap btw but WR2 seems to be much improved). Publishing date probably in late '05. Cars (excerpt from a German fan forum - therefore lengthy post and no link):

AC Cobra MKIII 427 (7.0 l, V8, 400 PS)
AC Cobra 5 gear

Caterham Roadsport
Caterham Supersport

Irmscher 7
Irmscher 7 Cup Racer

Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
Mercedes-Benz SLK 55 AMG 2004
Mercedes-Benz M-Klasse 2005
Mercedes-Benz CLS AMG
Mercedes-Benz Tourensportwagen 300 SL (W198 1954)
Mercedes-Benz Rennsportwagen 300 SLS (W198 1957)
Mercedes-Benz Formel-1-Rennwagen W196 Stromlinie (W196R Sieger Le Mans 1954)
Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR (W196S Sieger Mille Miglia 1955)
Mercedes-Benz 300 SE Rallyefahrzeug (W111 1963 Heckflosse)
Mercedes-Benz 230 SL Rallyefahrzeug (W113 Pagode 1963)
Mercedes-Benz Pagode
Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Rally
Mercedes-Benz 280 E
Mercedes-Benz 280 E Rallyefahrzeug (W123 1977)
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC 5.0
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC 5.0 Rallyefahrzeug (W107 1979)
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC 6.9
Mercedes-Benz Gruppe-C-Rennsportwagen C 291 (1991)
Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes-Rennsport-Tourenwagen 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II (W201 1990-93)
Mercedes-Benz AMG Mercedes C-Klasse Rennsport-Tourenwagen (W202 1998)
Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM Rennsport-Tourenwagen (1998)
Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM Rennsport-Tourenwagen (2001)
Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
Mercedes-Benz CLK- DTM Rennsport-Tourenwagen (2004)

Noble M400
Noble M12 GTO 3-R

Pagani Zonda
Pagani Zonda Roadstar

PGO 180 Cevennes
PGO Cevennes

Rinspeed Bedouin
Rinspeed Advantige R one
Rinspeed E-Go Rocket
Rinspeed Mono Ego
Rinspeed Roadster R + SC-R

Skoda Fabia WRC Rally
Skoda Fabia RS
Skoda Octavia RS

VW Golf I GTI
VW Golf I "Big Bertha"
VW Golf I "Twin Jet"
VW Golf V GTI
Gofl V Cup
VW Golf IV R32
VW GOLF IV R32 Biturbo
VW Top Secret
VW Touareg V10 TDI
VW Touareg "Sahara"
VW Touareg V12 "The Rock"
VW Race-Touareg
VW New Beetle RSI
VW New Beetle Concept S
VW New Beetle Twin Turbo
VW Nardo
VW Concept T
VW Concept R

Westfield Megabusa
Westfield XTR 4
Westfield XTR 4 Cup
Westfield Eleven

Wiesmann Roadster
Wiesmann GT
Wiesmann Renn-GT

YES! Roadster
YES! Clubsport
YES! Cup R

Alfa Romeo 33.2 Daytona / 33.2 Stradale
Alfa Romeo 33TT12C
Alfa Romeo GTV
Alfa Romeo Nuvola
Alfa Romeo 156 Vincitore
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 3.2 V6
Alfa Romeo 147 ZyTec
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA Cup
Alfa Romeo GT
Alfa Romeo GT Tempesta
Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
Alfa Romeo New GTV/Spider

Lotus Exige Mk 2

Morgan Aero 8 GTN
Morgan Aero 8
Morgan Plus 8
Morgan 4/4

Sportwagen Manufaktur Apollo ( fastest sports car of the world )
Brabus R230 ( SL 6.3 biturbo )
Brabus C219 ( CLS 6.1 S )
Brabus R171 ( SLK 4.0 )

nice. thx for that, lokk forward to it; however wouldn't a link have served just as well and saved you all that typing?

It was not typing, but copy-pasting (the info was dispersed in several posts).

Yesterday in the evening i stumbled about another interesting racing game - and this time it is an ONLINE-game as sw asked for: go here for "Live for Speed 2".

The game/program is free and without time restrictions, but has only one track and three cars. If you want all tracks and all cars you have to pay 12 or 24 £ .
The cars are not modelled after existing cars because the developpers did not invest in licences, but in gameplay, realism and fun. This is a quote from a test in the new edition of the German "Gamestar" (that's where I have the information from).