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Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:13 am

Slaughterhouse Five - Kurt Vonnegut
(This book is absolutely ace, I just loved it every single bit of it, finished it in record time and I'm a notoriously slow reader)

War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy
(I'm still working on this beast, it's been almost a year now, but when I've had a chance to read it between studying, exams and other books it's always been darn good)

1984 - George Orwell
(gee, who doesn't have this on their list?)

A Sand County Almanac and Sketches Here and There - Aldo Leopold
(an early work on conservation, some of the language seems a bit old fashioned anthropomorphising the animals a little but this man new his environment. In particular read his essay on Land Ethics, it ought to be compulsory reading for everyone)

On the Road - Jack Kerouac
(The Beatnik bible, before they became too concerned with infighting, coffee and bad poetry they went on mad road trips across the US and into Mexico, living life as fast and as full as possible, experiencing everything they could)

Into the Wild - John Krakauer
(The true story of Chris McCandless, who chose a different way through life, essentially chose a life as a bum but lived more in his few years than many people ever do. Essentially a modern day Thoreau. Tragically lost his life after living off the land in Alaska for 113 days by eating a plant that at that point hadn't been known to be poisonous. You'll both love him and hate him, but despite it all the guy's a personal hero to me)

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:29 am

weren't you reading Neuromancer a while back, Rec?

Slaughterhouse V - great choice! ever read Sirens of Titan?

I think it's great that so many people have1984 on their lists. especially in the current climate of fear and paranoia, maybe (just maybe) it will give enough people pause for thought about what is happening around us and to us.

Wouter - Da Vinci Code - - I read it a while back, albeit reluctantly at first. I enjoyed it, as a thriller anyway, it was good fun, quite well done, couldnt put it down in fact; but as a revelation of occult history, well let's just say that i laughed quite a lot and at times it annoyed me. My daughter loved it and questioned me at length about the *revelations* of secret iconography hoping that I'd tell her it was true and that she'd discovered some mystic secret (rememeber I have an MA in Renaissance Art and I specialised in iconography and Neo-Platonism) and she was most upset to find that Mr Brown's theories were to put it mildly bunk. a Woman in the Last Supper indeed! anyone who's remotely studied Renaissance Art knows that major part of the Rinascimento ethos was to portray the classical ideal, so young men were shown as soft-featured idealised slightly effeminate youths with pale-skins and flowing locks. i can point out dozens of paintings that do exactly the same; angels are depicted like this even though they are male, even Jesus is portrayed in that way, especially by Piero della Francesca, Ghirlandaio, Verrochio and Domenico Veneziano, all of whom were well known to LdV, he studied their work thoroughly and indeed was a pupil in Verrochio's school.

great work of fiction, sadly not born out by reality. at least not how he portrays it. Opus Dei and the like exist, and im well aware that the Vatican gets involved in all sorts of skullduggery, theyve got a lot of dirty laundry to be sure. and there are occult and mystic messages and hidden knowledge in Renaissance paintings, but not what Senor Brown says.

Edited by - Tawakalna (Reloaded) on 8/29/2005 3:54:20 AM

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:16 am

Yes I know that big pieces of Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code has to be taken with a grain of salt (or a whole bucket ), but nonetheless it was quite enjoyable in the matter of suspense and storytelling. And you gotta hand it to the guy that it's quite impressive that his book is one of the best selling books in history. I've also read his book Angels & Demons, which was a good book as well. And I read his Digital Fortress, but that was quite a let down considering his other work. It wasn't really bad, but nothing extraordinary either.

And now Ron Howard is making a movie of The Da Vinci Code, due to be released in theaters in May 2006. More info on www.thedavincicodemovie.com

I'm not sure about this one, most adaptions of great books turn out to be utterly bad and cheesy. But, occasionally there are some good ones. I'm probably going to see it, just to ease my curiosity

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:02 am

Yep, I read Neuromancer quite a while ago, really enjoyed it, I've been meaning to read more of Gibson's stuff at some point. Someone recommended Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson to me as well. I have quite a big list of books I want to get round to at some point.

Sirens of Titan and Cats Cradle are the next Vonnegut books I intend to read, but right now, I'm getting seriously back into War and Peace

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:33 am

@ taw: didn't know about your expertise in Renaissance art - if you're interested in those fascinating eras between the Middle Age and Renaissance and its explosion of new thoughts (about human society, 3D-perspective, division of labour, direct "communication" with Supreme Power - just naming a few) you should read Umberto Eco's "The Name of the Rose" or "Art and Beauty in the Middle Ages".

Of course you have probably already read them your list is impressive - but I think, one of Eco's books belongs to a list of the 'three best of all times'.

Same for a novel by Ursula LeGuin, "Left Hand of Darkness" or "The Dispossessed", unique Scifi-writer with NEW ideas, not the notorious technology-based war-novels with I-am-the-greatest-heros.

Last but not least: Raymond Queneau "Zazie dans le métro" (you got it!), a wonderful piece of literature full of funny puns. Queneau - a french Maths and Physics professor was deeply interested in the mathematical part of writing. Believe it or not, but it is incredibly funny. In "Exercices de style" he presented 100 variations of the same odd story - and it is still hilarious.

Oh, I forgot my personal favourites Stanislav Lem and Samuel Beckett - it's really difficult to name only three ...

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:26 am

*reads above posts*

THATS the one! The Da Vinci Code! Doh!

updated list:
1. The Da Vinci Code
2. Storm Breaker
3. Digital Fortress

THEY'RE MAKING A DA VINCI CODE MOVIE! ^^

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:32 am

read everything he's written, zazie, and met the man himself at a seminar in Bologna, quite a few years ago now. still trying to work my way through Kant and the Platypus though!

my own area of specialisation and the one I did my MA thesis on is Neo-Platonic symbolism in architectural treatise' of the 15th and 16th Centuries, mainy concentrating on Alberti and Filarete. was a bit of a chore, esp the paleography part. more for an M.Phil or even a Ph.D really as i got stuck in a bit too deep, MAs are only really about methodology after all. still all that ideal city stuff really got to me, and the legacy of people like Alberti and Palladio are still with us today - peopel like le Corbusier and Mies van der Rohe and indeed much of the Modern Movement theory was derived from them (don't ask me to prove it, i dont think TLR's server could handle it! but if you ever go to Lyons, visit what was built of Garnier's Cité Industrielle - its a revelation.

i take it that as far as film adaptations of Solaris are concerned its the Andre Tsarkovsky version you hold with and not the erm George Clooney thing a few years ago. best quietly forgotten that.

sorry to say im not a fan of Ursula K le Guin. loved her work when i was a teenager but went right off it later. however, recently i picked up City of Illusions and loved it, apart from the poor ending.

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:44 am

Preferred Texts:
Catch-22 (Joseph Heller)
Slaughter-House V (Kurt Vonnegut)
The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Series (Douglas Adams)
Sphere (Michael Critchton)
Animal Farm (George Orwell)

Post Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:21 pm

The Last real book I read and found very interesting, was either a bundle of shortstories by Nescio (old Dutch writer and author) or De Leeuw van Vlaanderen (by Hendrik Conscience, a famous Belgian writer that lived around 1830, also wrote: De Loteling) those were story books, the book I am working on now, is a monster called Opkomst en Strijd van de Friesche Arbeiders partij (Rise and Conflict of the Frysian Labour party, yes taw, im still reading it, im about up to the middle 1890's, with the coming of the SDAP and Pieter Jelles Troelstra, and Domela Nieuwenhuijs)

sw

Post Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:05 am

Cool, some very interesting books I see. I think I'm going to buy all the libraries in the world one day...

Post Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:28 am

Wow, thanks for reminding me, Andkat. Gotta add something to the list: Sphere.

I haven't read Brown's Digital Fortress, but it looks interesting for when I get some free time.

Post Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:31 pm

I heartily recommend The Batlle of Umboto Gorge by Lord Jingo Carruthers, First Earl of Gordons-on-the-rocks. it describes the stunning victory of the 21st Foot and Mouth over the fierce Pygmies of Umboto Gorge, who viciously ambushed the Redcoats with devilishly sharp guava halves and mangoes, forcing the outnumbered Tommies to return fire with their only Maxim gun.

take no head of the revisionist version circulated by modern detractors of this stunning period of history, suggesting it was actually a Massacre at Umboto Gorge, such as Chief Muthelezi who is only trying to get his ancestral cattle back so he can lord it over his neighbours on the veldt.

it was a close-run thing - they were very sharp guava halves.

sw

Post Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:28 am

Hmm I remember my great granny telling me about that.
According to her both versions are wrong...

Post Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:09 pm

I like:

-Ender's Game-
-Speaker for the Dead-
-Xenocide-(currently reading)
and -Folk of the Fringe- all by Orson Scott Card

-Prisoner of Azkaban-
-Goblet of Fire-(currently reading) by JK Rowling

-Bible-(currently reading again)
-Book of Mormon-(currently reading again)

-Hobbit-
-Silmarillian-(currently reading)
Lord of the Rings series

-Tale of Two Cities- by Charles Dickens

"On this ship you are to refer to me as Idiot, not you Captain. I mean... you know what I mean."

Post Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:55 pm

i really need to get my hands on those last 3 orson scott card books topher mentioned otherwise my favorite series is:

Wheel of Time by robert jordan

i have read of this series:

The Eye of the World
The Great Hunt
The Dragon Reborn
The Shadow Rising
The Fires of Heaven
Lord of Chaos
A Crown of Swords
The Path of Daggers
Winter's Heart

i want to read:

Crossroads of Twilight
Knife of Dreams

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