The Argumentaly crippled

Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:03 pm by DSQrn

Have you ever noticed how some people, adults even, cant argue if there life was desperate on it?
I mean we all do have off days, but some people are total ineffective morons. Here is a example from my life of a terrible argument. Loc you gave me some fodder today but i am nice

A idiot i happened to encounter and foolishly talk music to

Me: Meh i like Dimmu Borgir as a band... Good music and there not Goth
Him: Yes they are goth
Me: Hmm (Refraining from swearing a lot)
Him:They are, listen to them
Me: Sigh no my not so intelligent... not friend (i did say this, not making it up) Dimmu is Dark metal, Much more intense then Goth. Also they don't claim to be Goth they claim the opposite .

(Here is the real juicy bit)

Him:No!
Me:What?
Him: I am right your wrong
Me: (thinking he is kidding) Haha, but no really they arent
Him: No, they are
Me: How so?
Him: Up-bup-bup-bup-bup-bup
Me: what the hell man?
Him NO1 i am right...

He just wandered off then..
Here is a classic that happened to me.

Him: Gareth your so god-damn lazy! (I am but thats not the point, he could of proved it better as you will see)
Me: No i am not, i just store energy then only preform important tasks that i don't like.
Him: No you ignore many important tasks!
Me: Like what
Him:Cleaning up that <Censored> hole of yours
Me: How is that important
Him: It has a Desired result

I stop, and i just stare at him wanting to say “So does kicking your arse around this room but...”

Him: What?
I went to sleep about then.

Anyone else got some good stories to share?

Edited by - DSQrn on 3/19/2005 8:10:03 PM

Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:44 pm by Eh_Steve

In a heated religious debate in Study hall, I heard this:

"You may think you're right, but I know I'm right."

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:32 am by The Ninja

DSQrn, you sound like a freakin music snob, like barry from high fidelity.

-:-
You wanna revolution?

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:00 am by Arania

Oh, i know how that feels, you get a bunch of slurs strung at you nonsensically, and your attacker has neither the intelligence, nor the patience to listen to your comeback.

Aranic Rules of Engagement, although primarily designed for capship combat, do serve well in these situations:

1. Ignore incoming fire if it is innefective. If enemy continues firing, a single shot as a warning will show them who's boss
2. Unless in Wartime, do not fire unless fired upon, shooting without provocation just creates more problems
3. In wartime, Do not fire unless target is either a logistical or tactical threat, or Target Fired First

If they persist, just slam him up against a wall and curse at him a bit, then release him, and walk off camly. Worked wonders for me, The guy didn't expect it at all!

Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:20 am by DSQrn

i'm not a music snob, i jsut get annoyed when people talk to me about music or anything when they have no idea what they are saying.

I mean if he gave a constructive proper reason why Dimmu was goth it would be different. Besides i dont like Goth's and i dont like My music being called Gothic

Actualy working on your idea i did something nasty but incerdibly funny to a bloke once. he was annoying me so i raised my finger in that han solish way. Walked five paces over picked up some windex and sprayed it in his eyes.

It was rather amusing

Edited by - DSQrn on 3/20/2005 6:22:05 AM

Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:09 am by Wilde

ROFL...

The problem is, most people can't accept that they're wrong (I know I have some trouble with this too

, I'm working on it). It's a pride issue, and one of fear of the unknown--if you seriously challenge a person's beliefs, they will naturally feel threatened by the fact that the foundations of their thoughts are under threat, that what they have been believing and basing lives on might be wrong . So it is a wrong but natural instinct to argue back in such a way that they blind themselves to reason and only use the argument that they themselves know they are right, regardless of rational and empirical evidence to oppose that--and of course, this impulse of blind faith spreads to much less serious topics of argumentation, such as which genre Dimmu fits into.

It's disgusting.

Edited by - Wilde on 3/20/2005 7:10:16 AM

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:07 am by bret bretonian

I'm never wrong. Everthing i say is gospel.

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:44 am by Arcon

wow...me too. im the modern day prophet.

-arc

Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:52 am by Codename

You two may be prophets, but I'm The Lord Himself.

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:20 pm by Orillion.

Codename: What if I told you I'm an atheist?

(No, really, I am... )

Anyhow... About pride and such... I have so hard to admit I'm wrong. When I think I am right, then Damn I'm Right... And it get's a really big problem. Maybe I can just admit im wrong... Yes, I'll do that instead...

But, then again, reality is what you make it

Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:06 pm by Wilde

ARRGGH! Sophist!!! Get out of my house!

Seriously, rational evidence in cases of the intangible trumps empirical evidence. Therefore, if someone describes to you a valid and factual, thereby sound, argument, one should be inclined to submit, not hold on to one's fragile view of reality.

Subject A, Moron: I just saw the gigantic hippopotamus man!

Subject B, rationalist: Well you see, due to the fact that such an organism would defy the very laws of nature and genetic heredity, and given that you have not produced any evidence for this creature other than your word, it can't possibly exist and you're either on serious narcotics, an idiot, insane, or some combination of the lot.

Moron: BAAAA!!! You're wrong! *runs off wildly shouting*

(Wow, I really HAVE gone insane

. But you can all see the horrible idiocy of this kind of person...you know, the kind every day we'd just love to grab by the neck and ram repeatedly into telephone poles

).

Edited by - Wilde on 3/20/2005 2:06:07 PM

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:30 pm by Codename

Er, all the "moron" said was that he saw the hippo-man. He never asserted existence. And you can't tell him he saw wrong, can you? So it's actually the rationalist in this case who's the idiot for acting as though he assumes percerption must always equal reality.

And Orillion, don't worry. I'm not a wrathful guy. No lightning bolts for you, don't worry.

Edited by - Codename on 3/20/2005 2:33:35 PM

Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:39 pm by DSQrn

Za-Zing! and Codename SCORES! sorry i had to do that.

But just becuase you beleieve it exists doesnt make it exist, believe your wall doesnt really exist, now bang your head against it

Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:34 pm by J Dawg

Dilbert author Scott Adams devoted an entire chaper of his book "The Joy of Work" to this topic (that is, arguing with irrational people). The most timeless classic amongst these is:

"I'm correct because I'm smarter than you. And, I must be smarter than you because I'm correct."

To me, the most annoying people are those that try to argue a complex point (scientific for example) with inferior knowledge, or incorrect assumptions. I frequently have to reach out and slap people when they try and reconcile what I'm trying to explain about potential difference and the electric field with what they know about cooking spaghetti. Cooking spaghetti is a wonderful skill to have, its just irrelevant.

Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:18 am by Wilde

Basically, DSQrn said what I was trying to say, in a more coherent and shorter form. Thanks

And Code, don't be a pedant, you knew what I meant

Edited by - Wilde on 3/21/2005 8:18:32 AM

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