@devineman - I agree wholeheartedly. I too am a Christian - does that surprise you? The last thing on my mind was to slate Christians, in fact you may notice that I avoided it entirely...especially considering that I know this thread will be locked because of "religious discussion". I'm sure that you'll agree though, the mind of a true Christian is to love and respect his neighbour - anyone hiding behind the religion to spurt homobophic, racist or sexist drivel is not only belittling the religion but also undoing a lot of good work that people have done to promote the religion. I am strong in my beliefs....and I don't believe that God would reject me, especially as he made me this way enclined.

Far too many people hide behind a religious title to take little stabs at minority groups...thats all my point was. At no time was I meaning to offend religious groups....however if you feel that I have done so, then I apologise from the bottom of my heart

Edited by - slartifartfast on 3/3/2005 6:00:26 AM

Reading your post back again, it seems I misinterpreted it. My bad, sorry .
I do agree however that somebody who hides behind anything to air their blatently homophobic beliefs should be *going back to before* burned at a stake
Its a shame when I think of all of the good things that come out of religion, some people will think that they are all homophobic facists due to the select but vocal few.

It is true. The vocal ones do tend to be the extremists....whether that be christian, muslim or whatever. Its a travesty really.

Anyway, I'm glad we've sorted our misunderstanding. Now I really WILL sink back to where I came from Cheerio

I would like to take the opportunity to point out the Loc is an openly gay man! He is a moderator, and do you think that if the moderating staff were homophobic, that they would be comfortable, or even get on with him??

I take insult, because I am being sterocast into what people think we are by virtue of what others say we are.
I live with a gay 24 yr old man - whose bf comes round regularly (who is a top bloke, as is my housemate). However, apparently I am a raging homophobe simply because I am moderator.

Thanks

Now obviously you cannot generalise everyone like that, and I think its unfair for anyone to even attempt to state that TLR is anti gay at all! Seeing as an openly gay man was made a moderator by two admins should give an indication that, simply by the virtue that they didn't give a monkeys what his sexual persuasion is, that the site cannot promote an anti gay atmosphere. Indeed, Wilde accepts Finaldays judgment (although I have talked to Finalday myself, because I still disagree with it ), however, everyone else is putting an emphasis upon 'our' homophobia. Indeed, just because the thread mentioned gays, and the fact that FD is openly religious, its being held against him and labelled homophobia instead.

Once more I see people putting 2 and 2 together to get whatever they want to see. I know some will not accept this, simply because they disagree (thats fine).

As to my disagreement with FD locking the thread - I know some will be 'fascinated' by this. There is nothing to be fascinated about at all, I disagree because I am not the same man as FD at all. We all have different thoughts, acts and more. However, FD emailed me to explain why, and I emailed back my disagreement. He is no more wrong than I am right! Its called a difference of judgement or opinion. I know where he is coming from though, and therefore I am satisfied with his call. I know other members are not satisified with his explanation, but that is because they formulated their opinion before hearing his reasoning - and therefore don't believe his reasoning. Does that make them any more right than FD is right? No, its called a difference of judgement and opinion once more.

The only difference I see is that this has been turned into a mini war against one person, simply because they are not willing to believe his statement or reasoning. Furthermore to not believing it, they have decided to label him as something purely on the basis of that thread and his religion.

Not particularly fair in my opinion - but then again, everyone wants to be allowed to vent their opinions regardless of anyone elses personal feelings these days. We are also supposed to let anyone post their opinions for as long as they like as well. Guess we will end up seeing how long thats likely to be as well


*edit* - just to let you know that I know there are spelling mistakes - I just cannot be bothered to go through them correcting them

Edited by - Chips on 3/3/2005 10:57:33 AM

My point is that the forums just seem way waaay too protected. I mean I know we have to be a "family website" but the youngest I've seen must've been Little Monkey.

I'm going to go out on a limb here a suggest that pretty much 90% of these users can deal with these issues and don't need to be protected from them.

Of course we can't let the forums drop into a flaming ninja samurai chaos gorefest but surely some balance can be struck. There are some things that you downrght can't talk about for obvieous reasons, but I dunno, maybe a certain posting area dedicated where people who want to discuss those "heated" topics as such with others. And it can be contained in here.

I just feel like these days you can't discuss much without it getting some warning. This goes for everything. I know I havn't been here as long as others, but some say it was easier to talk about "hot topics" in the old days. I don't know, I wasn't there and I know that people get in an uproar but like I said before, there could be a place where people can discuss it like reasonable adults.

Without flame wars being started. If someone wants to be gay, devoutly religious, bi or whatever then that's fine. Far be it from me or anyone else to class them as "inferior" or in-human. We've all got arms, legs and eyes and are all still human regardless of our opinions. And if you guys really are reluctant to make that new forum then could we pull back the forum control police, ease the "clicker" back and de-sanitize slightly to the level of a forum and just see how things turn out. If i'm wrong, tell me so in a couple of months. but until you let things play themselves out, you can only predict what is going to happen. And let me tell you from experience, assumption is the mother of all f****ups

Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms -- Ernesto "Che" Guevara

>>Wilde accepts Finaldays judgment

Weeel...I still disagree with it. But I accept his point of view on the issue (if not on homosexuality itself) as valid.

>>If someone wants to be gay

Careful there, Darkov. Don't get me started on the choice vs. genes argument, I will rip out someone's trachea and give them an enema with it

i used to think i might try and become a moderator here someday, that it was something to aspire for to help the gaming community, someone please slap me so i can remember where i got that idea.

Here is a point not only with the forums but with society.

No-one has a prob with Freelancer were i have heard the scream "I caaaant breath" as a horriying death scream. abnd games like GTA were you hit people steal cars commit murder and things that are horrible (talking about those acts in RL). We have no prob with this.

But when it comes to sexual topics cover the childrens eyes there is a women kissing a women or a man kissing a man but let the same children shoot the crap out of Police in counterstrike.

Dont make sense to me? I am Totaly gunna change my name to zonker and start going totaly zonklatorian with all this

Cheers to that.

And not only that--what about the outrage at the superbowl last year? OH MY DEAR GOOSE A MAMMARY GLAND HEAD TO THE HILLS HIDE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!! . They should put up warning signs before the broadcast of those kinds of events--Following may contain breast-brandishing amazons, viewer discretion is advised.

This topic iiiiiis veeeeeeery sick for young eyes

*goes to bathroom throws up walks back* To sic..*Runs back again and throws up*like a said this()topic(*throws up*)is TO ..exscuse me one seck...(gaging is heard in backround)...k its all out. !its to sick! there i did without throwin u... ( oh s** ) *BBLAAHHHH*couag coagh *BLAHH* i i think i just threw up my.....

please this topic is wayy to OFF topic even for OFF topic fourums! wait whats that mean....*thinks for a sec* OH WELL

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Edited by - Beta-5 on 3/3/2005 8:16:02 PM

Edited by - Beta-5 on 3/3/2005 8:17:10 PM

Edited by - Beta-5 on 3/3/2005 8:17:45 PM

darkov, i am not trying to attack you, please dont take it as such, i would just like to point out most wouldn't take kindly to "chemical imbalance" i think i understand where you're comming from, but perhaps other words would be more suitable.... just a thought

@Darkov, please adress the right person, I think you mean Wilde

FA and Wiz: Yeah both of you are right. Post deleted

Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms -- Ernesto "Che" Guevara