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Days After Tomorrow

This is where you can discuss your homework, family, just about anything, make strange sounds and otherwise discuss things which are really not related to the Lancer-series. Yes that means you can discuss other games.

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:20 am

Days After Tomorrow

Yes kiddies, the sea levels are rising. Things are getting warmer.

The last "warm" period we had ended around 1000 AD. This coincides about with the time that the Viking settlements on Greenland died out / failed to thrive.

We went into a min-Ice Age from around 1100 AD to close to about the 1600s.

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:20 am

Antarctic Glaciers Quicken Pace to Sea; Warming Is Cited
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

Published: September 24, 2004


Spurred by warming coastal air and waters, some of Antarctica's glaciers have accelerated their seaward march, fresh observations show, suggesting that ocean levels might be irreversibly on the rise for centuries to come.

Global warming from smokestack and tailpipe emissions of heat-trapping gases could well be contributing to the changes, but some of what is happening is probably a delayed reaction to the long warm-up since the last ice age, glaciologists said yesterday.

Over all, Antarctica still holds a mix of conditions, with some spots cooling and others warming, but the new observations, described this week in three scientific papers, confirm that warming along the coast, as it causes fringes of ice to melt, can release larger ice sheets to flow faster to the ocean, where they will inevitably melt.

The changes were detected by separate satellite and aircraft surveys of small glaciers along the east side of the Antarctic Peninsula, the rugged, sharply warming arm reaching toward South America, and along giant ice sheets feeding into the Amundsen Sea.

In each place, the removal or weakening of fringing shelves of ice attached to the shore or seabed in front of the glaciers appears to have liberated the great inland ice sheets.

Similar shifts have been measured in some glaciers in Greenland, with erosion of "tongues" of ice protruding into the sea causing inland ice sheets to flow more quickly to the sea.

Even with the acceleration, the potential rise in seas in this century would probably remain within the range estimated by the main international panel studying global warming, perhaps two feet or so, said some of the scientists monitoring Antarctica.

That change already constitutes a slow-motion catastrophe for places like Bangladesh, New Orleans and low island nations, experts say. But the findings add weight to the idea that rising seas could be a fact of life for centuries to come, requiring serious reassessments of the human penchant for living along coasts.

In a paper published today in the online edition of the journal Science, one team said the vast glaciers flowing into the Amundsen Sea were thinning twice as fast near the coast as they had in the 1990's.

This is important because these glaciers help drain the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, a region containing enough ice to raise sea levels 20 feet.

The changes in these glaciers could be a delayed response to the departure of coastal ice shelves there in the prolonged warming since the last ice age, experts not associated with the study said. But the speed-up could also have been affected by recent further warming of the air and seas in the western Antarctic, some of which is probably linked to warming of the global climate from gas emissions, independent experts and study authors said.

Warmer seawater erodes the bond between coastal ice and the bedrock below, "like weakening the cork in a bottle," said Dr. Robert H. Thomas, a glacier expert for NASA in Wallops Island, Va., the lead author of the Science paper. "You start to let stuff out."

A pair of papers published this week in the journal Geophysical Research Letters described strong additional evidence that coastal changes can speed the flow of inland glaciers, focusing on the east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula.

That region captured worldwide attention in 2002 when the floating Larsen B ice shelf, the size of Rhode Island and locked to the shore since the last ice age, abruptly disintegrated into a constellation of icebergs.

In subsequent flights over inland glaciers, American and Argentine scientists measured a two-fold to six-fold increase in their speed in the following months, the researchers said. Satellite measurements showed some glaciers there slumped as much as 100 feet over the same span.

Adjacent glaciers not fronted by the departed shelf did not react, providing something rare in earth science, the equivalent of a case-control study, said Dr. Theodore A. Scambos, lead author of one of the papers on the changes along the peninsula and a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo.

Dr. Richard B. Alley, an expert on Antarctica at Pennsylvania State University who was not involved but is familiar with the findings, said the studies were cause for concern and justified a much more intensive survey of the world's thawing places.

In the best case, Dr. Alley said, there could be a short-term rise in sea levels that would stop as new fringing ice shelves eventually put the brakes on the glaciers. But it was also possible that conditions would set off "complete or near-complete collapse over centuries or millennia," he said, guaranteeing a steady flooding of coastlines far into the future.



Edited by - Indy11 on 9/24/2004 7:20:45 AM

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:51 am

you are doomed. I clearly saw you get swept away in the film. only I can save you.

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:10 am

I have resolved to make it a point to know where I am in relation to the Main Branch Library at all times while in Manhattan. And to puzzle out the quickest way to get there. I also have gone to check to make sure I know where the tax codes and regulations are physically located.

I've found several nice rooms with fire places as well. Now all I need to do is figure out a way to sequester a cache of emergency rations.

<Edit>

PS. I also have verified that they are not keeping wolves in the Park Zoo. At least none that would be able to chew their way out of caged enclosures. BTW, they moved and looked a lot like hyenas in the movie... or is that just me?

Edited by - Indy11 on 9/24/2004 12:11:28 PM

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:17 am

I've told you before to forget the Library. Actually you're better off staying at work, it's higher.

ah but the shops are better near the Library.

Maybe you should move to New Jersey?

Radio Free Tawakalnistan

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:30 am

Don't think I'll be able to clamber aboard that drifting tanker if I'm at work. I'll need that penicillin then won't I?

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:27 pm

I'm just glad that I have my secret mountain hideaway to escape to. It looks like the one in that DS9 episode "Our Man Bashir".

Post Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:48 pm

im safe here at the equator no ice age gonna chill me remember to bring a first aid kit around at all times

Post Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:10 am

you'll just drown. sea level rise is likely to be highest at the equator because the tidal influence is strongest there.

zlo

Post Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:19 am

Well, looks like armageddon is approaching (as a proof, last week we had a "potentially dangerous" earthquake - highly uncommon here), so I think I'll get dead drunk so that if I have to die, I'll do it the happy way

Life is sexually transmitted

Post Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:02 am

@ speakers of animals,
i wont drown unless i go into hibernation for a couple thousand years. i think i'd notice if the sea was rising. i also think by the time the sea level got anywhere near necessary consideration, i woulda have made enough money to buy couple houses at higher altitudes.

Post Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:21 am

so what's this new hurricane, Jeannie is it? there's a hurricane every week now, can any NOT believe that we've truly and irrevocably knackered up the worlds weather? how utterly irresponsible, and it doesn't end there, does it? just like in da film, the US Govt continues to sabotage international legisialtion and directives on energy usage, waste emissions, conservation. Dubya desp wants to convert Alaska into the new Panhandle, not of course that that's got anything to do with his family and friends raking in billions

it's all going to get worse you know. low lying coastal areas will be gone by the end of the century or surrounded by barriers and barrages. Countries like Bangladesh and the Seychelle islands will just not be there anymore, Venice will (probably) disappear, river deltas and tidal estuaries will become lagoons, and there will be mass population displacement, starvation, land-grab conflict etc and that's before the population decline sets in from cancers & sterilisation caused by excessive UV penetration through a depleted ozone layer.

of course it's all too late to stop now. if something had been done back in the 60s and 70s maybe the effects we're feeling now might have been ameliorated to some extent, but instead everyone just ploughed straight on regardless of the consequences.

if we started to seriously do something about it now, the situation could be stabilised by the end of the century and things be more or less back to normal ina couple of hundred years.

btw day after Tomorrow isn't the only or even a particularly good fictionalised account of global climate change. JG Ballard's "The Drowned World" is my pers fav, and the animé "Blue Submarine No6" which imo is terrific, "Ice" wasn't bad if rather far-fetched and with a cop-out ending, also there was a series aof novels which i can't remember the titles of set in the West Country of Britain about a thousand years from now after sea-level rises had finished off our curreent civilisation and reduced W Europe back to medievalism and a reliance on the Catholic Church, sort of a soggy "Canticle for Liebowitz"

then of course there's John Wyndhams "The Kraken Wakes" which although really about an alien invasion, has some wonderful descriptions of rising seas flooding London, and the last broadcasts, and helicopters fleeing the advancing waters.

anyhoo, I won't be around to see it (I hope) In another 30yrs or so I should be nice and soundly dead.

zlo

Post Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:30 am

@Taw: if you like books/films about natural disasters, I'd recommend a very old book about the destruction of Japan (written by a Japanese). Unfortunately, I don't remember the author and the title, but I have the book at home, so I'll check it out if you get interested. I only have a Russian version as, alas, I can't read Japanese.
I agree, things are getting out of hand nowadays, and, though my country is in a relatively safe location, disasters will eventually reach us too. The problem is that I'm not sure anybody knows exactly what to do to ameliorate the situation, and even if some people do know, they're far too near-sighted to actually do sth about it as it's not cost-effective etc.

Life is sexually transmitted

Post Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:39 am

"relatively safe location"

apart from your large neighbour's rather appalling history of major nuclear accidents, of course.

Post Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:57 pm


reduced W Europe back to medievalism


Yay, does that mean very soon i get to run around with a sword and armour that when i put on stops me actually running

Seriously tho, we won't destroy ourselves by Nuclear war, that naughty minx mother nature will do it for us.

I have tried to appease her with my seductive rain dance, but to no avail

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