Olympics?*yawn* whats this olympics you talk about i think ive heard of it but it doesnt ring a bell

It's more an point that people trust don't thier abilities in sports anymore. They lie, cheat and steal to win. They lie to themselves and others, cheat themselves, and steal a illegitament win based on lies and wants rather than skill and drive.

Edited by - Finalday on 8/22/2004 6:21:18 PM

Didn't I say all of that in my Olympics thread?

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Russian shot putter Irina Korzhanenko was found to have taken steroids and is expected to lose her medal and be sent home, officials said.

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Wow, that comes as a shock! I thought it was natural for women to look like men! And I thought the distance of nearly 22 metres (where others reached nearly 20) was the result of hard training.

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It's just that so many are now getting caught, it's almost laughable. It is possible to get the distance, weight, speed or whta ever your area of sport is with hard work only. Not a short cut. I wonder how manyb will end up with medals that did not place in first or second?

I guess we've maxed out our physical capabilities. The next step is by artificial physical enhancement. At least these guys are not getting biomechanical implants to boost their strength and such.

I think that the opposite of what's being done should be the rule. Athletes may use any means available to them to enhance their ability to perform.

HOWEVER, athletes will be presumed to be using performance enhancing drugs AND if they do, they have to waive all rights to make a claim against the drug makers for any harm that results from using those drugs.

If an athlete claims that he/she isn't using drugs, they have to submit to drugs tests immediately before and after each event in which they compete.

Edited by - Indy11 on 8/23/2004 7:21:06 AM

but then the olympics loose their magic. We're not rooting for our athletes, we'd be rooting for our pharmasutical companies. Keep them they way they are, punish the dopers severly and keep the games as clean as possible so we can at least cling to the false belief that it is our nation's athletes, not drugs, setting these records. --- VH16

I am Nobody; Nobody is Perfect; Therefore, I am Perfect

Good job the Outcasts aren't real ( I done it again haven't I? )

*Back to reality*

Yeah, it's a crying shame that all these athletes will do anything to win, it kinda defaces the value of a major award (World Cup, Gold Medal etc) to know you cheated for it and didn't earn it. Look at football and you get the general idea. I think there should be a medal awarded to those who HAVEN'T taken drugs, that should stop the problem

We already are rooting for the most inventive of the dopers, the ones who have the currently undetectable drugs anyway.

Why not just accept that when people compete, they will lie cheat and steal to get an advantage. Why pretend that they won't? The human body has reached is natural limits of performance anyway. The only ones who'll break records now are freaks of nature and dopers.

The underlining thing of the dopers is being too competitive for thier own good. Friendly rivalry is one thing, but what's next, a Tonya Harding insident? Slow the competitveness down a little and people will see the need for dope is no longer there.

Although the Tonya Harding situation seems rather extreme, I am sure that the same strategies, a lot less crudely attempted of course, are employed every day.

I don't think that we can expect the competitiveness of all this to come to an end until the Olympics no longer is a story of nations going for the most gold. I would try to eliminate "national" teams altogether. But that won't happen very soon. That's why I say let them dope themselves up to the extreme. If they hurt themselves in the process, that's their own fault. I think they will have to go through this type of nonsense to the extreme excess before sanity will ever have a chance later to prevail.

Of course, this raises the question, are expensive streamlined suits and all this other technology to improve athletes that can only be afforded by the United states and other wealthy nations any more ethical than shooting yourself up with dangerous and often fatal chemicals? --- VH16

I am Nobody; Nobody is Perfect; Therefore, I am Perfect

Good point.

In Winter Olympics, it is even more of a displacement when you think about the fact that most of these sports require the use of equipment that are an integral part of the performance outcome.

One event that comes to mind was from the nagano 98 games, in speed skating. All the nations were using clap skates (where the blade is hinged so it remains on the ice longer for better speed/control), except for North Korea. The poor self isolated nation's delegates got butchered, eating their opponent's ice, show the strength of technology rather than necessarily the resolve and strength of the athletes. --- VH16