Aliens, to me is pure bunk. I do not, nor will ever, believe in the existance of aliens. The early construction was possible without the use of machines, because they had slave labor to move the rocks and a smart mind to lay out the plans. They were brilliant in what they built. Look at the roman empire and its construction to see what I mean.

personly, i think there is life out there, but we havent detected it. also if life can live in extrem temps (ie. bacteria) then there is life out there in the form of bacteria. also i do belive that we didnt creat the pyramids for basicly the same reasons you put with the gods and stuff.

Okay, here we go,

The statistic about life sustaing plannets is misleading since that means only capable of sustaing simple life (like bacteria), but not necessarily higher lifeforms. Earth had an exact right combination of events that allowed humanity to evolve, any one of which if missing, would have condemed us. Even that one popular formula doesn't take into account having one large moon (to stabalise the wobble of the plannet to prevent cataclismic climate changes) and a large nearby plannet (like jupiter) to suck up stray asteroids that would be large enough to wipe us out with only one or two slipping by every once in a while.

Simple blood, sweat, and tears would build the pyramids (slave labor for 30 years will do that), and as for not being able to do it ourselves, total bunk. Look at our skyscrapers that are 1,000 times at complex, or even our cathedrals if you want to stick with stone. Miserable slaves + ruthless rulers + a hell of a lot of time with nothing better to do = Big huge wonders w/o alien involvment. Prime evidence against aliens; after helping egypt build these pyramids, why did they not come back to help us with more? --- VH16

I am Nobody; Nobody is Perfect; Therefore, I am Perfect

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Miserable slaves + ruthless rulers + a hell of a lot of time with nothing better to do = Big huge wonders w/o alien involvment.

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yep. thats exactly it in a nutshell. the great wall of china is another prime example.

as for the existence of aliens. the probability of another such unique combination previously mentioned existing anywhere within reach of current propulsion systems is zero, as we can only go as far as the outer reaches of this solar system, and well, life really couldn't exist in this solar system, at least not an intelligent one.

but the probability and the sheer scale of the universe pretty much balances things out. i'd say there might be a good chance of life - intelligent life - could be found in this galaxy itself, another unique planet, like earth.

we're situated in a pretty lonely region of space, relatively speaking, with only like 6 galaxies in our cluster. quite a few billion light years away from the main region, where the stick man lies. if you went there, i'll bet you'd find trade routes set up between different life forms - races - to get to each other by now. something like a freelancer world.

actually, the 'slaves' who built the pyramids werent slaves at all, but well payed labourers.

plus the Egyptians used this super secret technology - whips.

Wow, thats a real super secrete technology
I would like to think that their are aliens out their, but I doubt their is. Maybe bacteria or some unintelligent lifeform but not aliens that come to blow man kind off the planet. And even if their were, I doubt they would waste their time making the pyramids, or making the heads on Easter Island.

Being a SciFi fan, I'm still sceptical about alien life. On the other hand, we don't know our own planet well enough, so what can we say about others in the Sol system, not to speak of other stars? Besides, Earth has the conditions to support terran life, but not all life must be just as ours, ergo, totally different conditions might support diferent "life" or whatever you may call it. Now I'm starting to contradict myself. time to stop.

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But it wasn't even slave labor. Leastwise, that is the current thinking. The Egyptian population paid taxes in labor and not all at once. Farming communities took turns to send their able bodied to build the pyramids during the off-season. These were the raw labor recruits. At the same time a local population of skilled craftsmen, brewers, bakers, architects, engineers and foremen lived at the pyramids year round.

With what now is understood to be the available technology, it didn't take hundreds of thousands of impressed slave laborer toiling day in and day out.

We need more pyramids, those things are so cool. Or at least something big, not these wussy pretty boy skyscrapers, but huge massive monuments of stone and sweat to the glories of humanity. I say we build a new continent in the atlantic, and then cover it with pyramids dyed red by the blood of the workers there. Lets see Egypt top that. --- VH16

The pyramids were probably made using slave labor, imported people from other lands brought in by boat. The Hebrews during their exile probably helped alot as well.

There were close to 1 million slaves when the Isrealites left egypt. They could have built many things in a little over 400 years.

Biblical scholars date the slavery of the Israelits in Egypt to around 1800 AM which translates to something like 2100 BC (2000 AM = 2000 BC). The great pyramids at Giza were built by three 4th Dynasty Kings around 2600 to 2500 BC (1300 AM to 1400 AM).

However, pretty much the last of the larger scale pyramids, nothing so grand and large as the Giza complex, however, was built around 1817 BC for Amenhotep III. It was made of mud bricks. This should coincide with the end of the biblical counting of the Israelites period of slavery in Egypt but it is not believed that the period of slavery lasted for more than, at best 300 years and there is biblical reason to believe it was even less than that. The Jewish counting of that time measures to around 250 years and many biblical scholars prefer this count.

The building materials used for later pyramids got more and more simple and less massive. From around 2100 BC to 1800 BC, the rough time in which the Biblical slavery was to take place, the pyramids changed in composition from smaller stone and fill to mud bricks.

Edited by - Indy11 on 7/26/2004 1:55:43 PM

Aliens did NOT construct the Pyramids. Proof, if proof were needed, that it was a gradual process of development by trial and error, is that in Egypt there are several earlier and cruder examples of above-ground stepped tombs, the Step Pyramid itself, and smaller less sophisticated Pyramids that pre-date the Khufu (Great) Pyramid.

the Aliens theory's other prop is that the visiual similiarity between S. and C. American pyramids, Mesopotamian ziggurats (the prototype for the Pyramid) and Indian step-pyramids "must" show that there was a common origin (extra-terrestrial) for the design. Cr*p. Radio-carbon dating blew this miserable excuse for an argument away decades ago. They were built thousands of years apart, the Aztec ones in A.D. centuries. Hence no aliens. Completely separate but parallel developemnets, although the Egyptians prob got the idea from the Mesopotamians.

However.. there are genuine mysteries that are thrown up by the Pyramids. The brilliant feats of organistaion required to build them from design conception, resoucing, organisation of tradesand divison of labour over generations are truly staggering. The sophistication of measurement and internal layout demanded a level of mathematical knowledge and practical application of science and technology we find difficult to accept so early in human history, as we traditionally don't ascribe until the Greeks and romans come along (and we don't attribute their achievements to aliens) The accuracy of the measurements has only been matched in modern times. The entire Pyramid site turns out to be far far older than again we traditionally believe, and is still being debated in the archaolgical professions. Plus, there are certain weirdnesses that no-one has satifactorily explained, for instance..

the Great Pyramid really does sit on the intersection of the latitude and longitude that covers more lands area than anywhere else on earth. So the Egyptians mist have known that the earth was round and what its diameter and circumference were.

it is aligned precisely to the cardinal points of the compass. So the Egyptians must have had a way of finding north accurately.

3 huge boats were found on its perimeter buried in chambers. these boats were much bigger than traditional Egyptian reed-boats and were clinker-built like Viking vessels, meaning that they were quite seaworthy and capable of transversing oceans. And this is a desert-bound people.

internal passages believed to be for ventilation line up perfectly with Sirius and other important stars at specific times of the year and these astronomical events coincide with the dates of important egyptian religious ceremonies.

the Gizeh pyramids correspond exactly to the pattern of the stars of Orion and the position of the Milky Way. Moreover, they relate to each other's sizes as the stars they appear to represent do in magnitude. Exactly.

but I see no reason to ascribe these to aliens, rather than to brilliant observation and scientific ingenuity by men as clever as any alive today - humans haven't changed that much, you know why deny and degrade our past by suggesting that we couldn't figure stuff out for ourselves, and ascribing our ancestor's achievements to aliens or anything else?

@Bret; the History Channel is great, I watch it meself, but it's mostly popular history for television. Take more speculative stuff llike aliens or magic with a BIG pinch of salt. Remeber that secondary sources while useful are just someone else's version of history, which may be less or more at variance with the facts and are only interpretations at best. If you get the chance, go and look for yourself and be critical! don't believe anything until it's staring you in the face, and even then, doubt.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 7/26/2004 2:03:38 PM