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Selling Out

This is where you can discuss your homework, family, just about anything, make strange sounds and otherwise discuss things which are really not related to the Lancer-series. Yes that means you can discuss other games.

Post Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:01 pm

what about Lemonjelly then? remember that silly single from last year "Nice Weather for Ducks" well, their albums are excellent (imo) bizarre & melodic, and still experimental, without being crap. Even went to see them live. Great fun!

Prodigy generally managed it, Underworld, Leftfield, Orbital, well going down that route you could cite Bjork, who somehow managed to combine being totally weird with chart success. Groove Armada do bostin' trippy tunes that are not just charters but get used on adverts (Renault) and film s'tracks (Miss Congeniality) and oh well there's lots more; often people will not have a clue who the artist is but will remember the song and its associations in the wider media. Yet you wouldn't call any one of those examples mainstream. So it can be done.

but in general I agree, you can't make it BIG big without sacrificing a lot of artistic integrity and creativity*, and the music industry is so cynically professional at churning out charters that you could get a wet cabbage on a video, put a track to it, and market it as the next big thing and it would sell.

*except Radiohead, and a few other select acts.

Post Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:06 pm

/hugs taw

you seen lemonjelly? you beast!
ahh man, you're right though, prodigy have gone a bit poo but have no way sold out. looking at it, LOADS of music im into have stayed true to their roots while becoming mainstream popular. Radiohead i dont think have sacraficed anything. They'll still play whatever the hell they wanna play and god damnit people will listen. I think only the real hardcore fans are the one's buying the albums (or the wannabe's trying to figure out what all the fuss is about) but that doesnt stop them turning up on Jonathon goddamn woss for his talk show thingy.

Orbital i think are FAR too trapped in their old world to even CARE what mainstream think or change to meet them. Likewise to Underworld .

Post Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:58 pm

/me too hugs taw

i have to agree with the point made on R&B. its all the same, all songs about niggas, drugs, *****es and ho's. that isn't art, its mass produced claptrap, and the same goes for pop artists like jessica simpson and such, designed to be played in supermarkets 2 years from now. sometimes its sad to see what happened to some great artists when they are defiled by the corporate world. i shall now cite a perfect example. Apollo Four Fourty. Their album, Gettin High From You Own Supply, is a technical masterpiece, but was raped of its beauty by greedy execs who wanted a 'cool' song playing behind their product. now A440 are almost non-exsistant, remembered only from the advertisments.

and chips: damn good album that Audioslave album. nice to know that one of my fav bands is still going. (RATM that is...)
-:-
Vi

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:09 am

stop hugging me you pair of weirdos!

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:29 am

/me hugs taw harder

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:57 am

*Looks at Taw sideways* Taw, you are getting strange. All these hugs? j/k

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:03 am

don't you start, you're too big for me to fight off.

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:09 am

/me sneaks up behind Taw and ambushes him with another hug

Post Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:24 am

you're all freaks

I'm going to listen to "Kill Uncle" all day now just to remind myself what not selling out is all about.

Edited by - Tawakalna on 6/22/2004 4:59:37 AM

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