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the use of signatures and pictures (a question)

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Post Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:08 pm

the use of signatures and pictures (a question)

so, why do we have to have the setting on low (in Photoshop)
ive always used 8...

*i removed the chain letter from my sig*

Post Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:26 pm

You don't have to have your sigs set that low typically, but for screenshots its DEFINATELY adviseable.

The reason is this:

If you make your file in Photoshop and save at 8 - then you can see the size of it whilst saving. Have a look when you exit. Typically a 800 x 600 size will come in at around 250kb or so. Using a low setting will make it smaller, ALOT smaller.

If you use paint though, you cannot, and that is honest - CANNOT see the difference between the two files. However, saving a JPEG in paint makes that same file around 50Kb instead. I always edit my pics in photoshop (see my website for the screenshot section), but ALL of the files are then opened and saved in Paint, as their size is MUCH smaller than photoshop.

The main reason is that when you get a broadband user, we can see those pics in a few seconds, BUT a 56ker will need around about 8 seconds to see a 50Kb image, but nearly 40seconds to see a 250Kb one. When you start getting multiple pics in threads, soon enough you have a thread that is ONE MEGABYTE in size. I recently found this in the Excelcia thread in mod announcements, where it took about 20 seconds for me to see all pics - as they had 1.1 meg of pictures on there. For a 56k modem (majority of visitors), that would take several minutes!

I have a large amount of bandwidth as well, so size isn't really that much of an issue from personal bandwidth, but it might be for those of you whom use a free host! Furthermore, with the amount of members here, and the downloads already, as well as the screenshots section, adding to it by plonking 1meg of pictures in threads is, well, inconsiderate when you can have exactly the same, but 1/5th of the size.

My final point is that:

Everyone loves to look at images, BUT they take up alot of "screensize" - especially when they don't fit the thread, so it causes the need for scroll - which then affects the text of the thread too!.

Its much neater to use a thumb image instead. This gives the users the option to look at the pic if they like, without having it "forced" upon them. It also saves your personal bandwidth, as if all don't want to see it, they don't have to click on it to see the full size version.

Overall - its just more considerate - think of the 56kers, and think about other members having to look through lots of pics. I have posted "guidelines" in the announcements (mod) forums, so that we don't have a repeat of the 1.1meg pics. You can make mini "galleries" in threads, which looks alot smarter, and gives others the chance to CHOOSE what they see

Post Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:04 pm

To make a long story (Very long story) short: It's all about the bandwith Wolfy.


I'm to sexy for my sig, to sexy for my sig, to sexy for my sig
*** The Titan flies like a cow ***
Fight like a Warlord

Post Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:30 pm

And in the thread of desktop pics, with paint, mine came out to be a little over 9k. Not too bad either. That helps with getting into this site easyer. One day, DSL...

Michael
"Finalday"

Post Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:33 am

well theres the problem. win 98 MS paint doent support jpegs. so the only think i can use IS photoshop...

*i removed the chain letter from my sig*

Post Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:07 am

Thats fine, you don't really need to worry about SIGS too much, try to keep them under 50kb though - but the setting around about 6 is fine....
My new one is 26kb in JPEG, but the BMP is 120kb for the same image, you cannot tell the difference - but the issue is mainly with Screenshots, which are typically around 200kb, and can push threads to over 1meg with just a few pics. Sigs in general are not a problem unless someone starts using BMP images....

When you save in photoshop, you are given a choice "jpeg options" in quality. Believe it or not, save it as 10 and then save again as a copy, but with 6....and play spot the difference. With a casual glance (which is all sigs get, not intense scruitiney) you cannot tell the differnece between the setting of 10 or 4!! The size difference all helps 56kers though

The difference for a 56ker can be about 2 seconds load time though - which ISN'T much, but in a thread with 20 sigs like this..........it adds some loading time to the thread! Therefore, the smaller the size (without comprimising the image) the better....

Post Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:47 am

It's too bad that JPEG is so popular. Not that I don't like JPEGs, but it's a lossy format; PNG is much better (although it means larger files of course).

Post Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:45 am

i often use PSD until i actually upload it to a site where i host it

and i think this thread has served its purpose

*i removed the chain letter from my sig*

Post Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:26 pm

You're probably right, Wolfy. We should probably avoid the spam by locking this thread. Boscoe?

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