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1776 Vote On German As Official Language of the USA = An Urb

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Post Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:13 pm

1776 Vote On German As Official Language of the USA = An Urb

Three or four times now, I've seen comments that at one time German (or Dutch) missed becoming the official language of the United States by one vote.

I had never heard of this historical factoid and could not understand why anyone would believe such a story. In Colonial America, German speaking people were a minority in the thirteen colonies. It would have been more plausible for the Dutch language to have been in contention for that role as the Dutch speaking people were somewhat more numerous but still very much in the minority. A vote for either language could not have been close.

I've dug around to find out how this type of legend could possibly have originated and here is what I found.

In 1794 and in 1795, in Congress (on the 11th Amendment), debates were entered into on a petition to Congress by German speaking settlers in Viriginia to have the Federal Government publish a German language version of the laws that are enacted. This proposal was voted down on two occasions.

On the second occasion, in 1795, during the course of the debate, there was a motion to adjourn the discussion rather than to vote, to allow the German translation supporters an opportunity to regroup and perhaps lobby additional convention members. This motion, to adjourn, was voted down BY ONE VOTE.

The history behind how the Legend came to be as it is known is itself interesting but it requires too much explanation to introduce here.

<Edit>

I posted this yesterday when the TLR server was, well, kind of slow. I've wanted to make corrections to the grammar ever since.

I reposted today, the corrected version of my original. If it reads differently, this is why.

<CORRECTION> My error. In fact, thre were more German speakers than Dutch speakers settled in the USA in the 1790s. I've posted some census data belowin the thread.

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Edited by - Indy11 on 3/21/2004 4:05:28 AM

Edited by - Indy11 on 3/22/2004 11:24:21 AM

Post Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:50 pm

Interesting, first time I've ever heard of it though. Funny how history can end up like a chinese whisper.

Post Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:19 pm

A what now?

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Post Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:48 pm

Agreed, the idea that German or Dutch could be the official language seemed pretty absurd to me considering that the majority of the population of the colonies were of Anglo-Saxon origin.

By the way, nice sig, Indy.

Post Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:12 pm

Hmph, who's think that it's true .....



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Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:15 am

Yeah, I think this was mentioned in the "best languages" thread.
I would have thought that French or Spanish would have more people than either of the two languages. Although that might just be in Canada and Mexico...

Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:07 am

Thanks Jim. It is Nickless' to begin with and hr gave me his permission to use it,

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Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 10:22 am

@ Corsair,

Canada has two offical languages. English and French. When England took Canada from the french, there were more french then english. But after the loyalists came, there were more english.. But there were always more french in Quebec.

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Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 10:29 am

Not German, Dutch.
Anyway, Maybe I wanted it to be true to much so I started actually believing it.
Who would want to speak Dutch anyway. I just thought it was a nice story

Btw, there's no copyright on that sig, use it if you want.

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Edit: Damn spelling.

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Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:50 pm

I heard about that a while ago. It didn't surprise me though, you Yanks have always been crazy!

Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:57 pm

so have you aussies

Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 5:30 pm

So have you Brits (to complete the Anglo-Saxon insult circle).

Edited by - Jim Groovester on 3/21/2004 5:50:56 PM

Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 5:33 pm

Let's not start another world war here. Play nice...

Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 5:57 pm

Its amazing how much all languges change over the years. The most visable, in terms of written, is the British version of english. From Elizebethen to now, a lot of changes. As far as american version, it was brit english in the colonys, merging with words from other languages. When they lost the accent, who knows, as that is a learned thing no matter the language.

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Post Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:14 pm

Speaking of Elizabethan English..... I remember seeing an old issue of National Geographic magazine from the 1970s. It featured the Outer Banks of North Carolina and made mention that some folks who lived out there (back then of course) spoke a local dialect of English which etymologists said was closer to Elizabethan English than anything left in the Mother Country.

My guess is that this isn't the case anymore, in 2004.

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