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In a way, saying that people who buy only fashionable clothing are shallow, is a shallow comment in its self.

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I would not term a person "shallow" for passing a judgement, and it is a judgement, however it is also a generalisation. The fact is, that many people in today's society only care about surface appearances and/or aesthetics. People who are this superficial are called "shallow", and with good reason; because they do not look below the surface. The individual who is compelled to buy the latest fashion to dress up their own appearance, usually due to low self-confidence, often possesses the aforementioned qualities. Therefore, although it is a generalisation and a judgement, I cannot agree that making such a statement makes a person shallow.

Edited by - esquilax on 3/16/2004 1:40:50 PM

Well there is such a thing as dressing for success. If you dress in a shabby manner, you're not going to make the best impression at a job interview, for example.

I don't know whether this fits into the "fashion" of this thread but it is a form of it.

course you could be like me, and be so dam handsome and charismatic that you transcend fashion, and become it

Problem is, I can't find any makeup your particular shade of green ...

Yep. Taw's definately a big barrel of charisma, or something like that...

you're just jealous....

I'm no clothes horse but I do take pride in my appearence. I do not buy clothes en masse, i'll go out and spend 1-2 thousand dollars once every 1-2 years and that'll last me, I usually buy a decent brands for a number of reasons. Sure I could get a lot more clothing for my buck at Mr. Happy Budget Store but A) I'd feel like a knob (looking good does make you feel good, I don't care what anyone says) and decent clothing last twice as long as budget stuff. So providing you wear the crap out of something, the cost will justify the product.

But it's not good to judge someone on their exterior either way. Whether they are wearing rags or a hugo boss suit, they may be a really top person. If you meet a person and they are pretentious snobs, then it's fine to call them shallow, but you can't pre-judge someone and call them shallow cause they're wearing a pair of Calvin Klein jeans. It's just not cricket.

Fashion sucks when you don't fit the designers idea of how a man should be built.
At 6'3 I'm not even that much taller than most guys, but it's still a pain to get stuff that fits me. I've also got a much broader build than most guys, broad shoulders but also broad hips too. Buying trousers is a joke, if I manage to get something to fit it tends to be trousers designed with a fat American in mind so the waist is huge, I put a belt through it but it ends up like a concertina around my waist. Plus it seems that whoever decides the sizes for clothing thinks that if you've got thick legs, they must be short!? That's why I tend to go with army surplus baggy combat trousers, at least the military seemed to realise that not every bloke is a matchstick.

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Easy on that fat American thing. As I recall, the entire developed world is slowly sinking into the earth's crust from "over nourishment."

If it is suits you are looking for, you're build is why there is such a thing as the "American Box Cut" suit ... now called, I think, American Contemporary.

I'm a fashion guy. Not a "catwalk-fashion" guy but the "trendy-fashion" guy. I always (or try to) look good and by coincidence, the clothes that I wear are "hot". Really, I have a nose for these kind of things. Some months ago here in Holland the women were all walking on these really, but really really pointy shoes. When I told my friends that I was going to buy the male versions they all pointed and laughed at me but a month after I started wearing those shoes, I saw 5 out of ten guys with them.

Same goes for next summer. I bought some real trendy and colourful shirts and pants the other week and now I hear all the desingers saying that they are going to design colourful clothes and all.

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Bah - fashion changes faster than the weather.

There is ONLY one reason for changes like those pointy boots, twisted trousers, bright coloured shirts, hawaiin patterns etc etc etc etc.

If they cannot get stars to wear their stuff, so that it BECOMES fashion, then once we buy their high priced threads that last a good long time, why the heck would you buy more???

Fashion NEEDS to change, and hence why it keeps coming full circle. IF they didn't move it along a bit - how would they make their money?

They NEED to keep fooling the ones with issues about identity and social status to buy the latest little things, so that they get their money. The social status monkeys follow religously, and so spend all their money, the rest of us trail a bit further behind, being more considerate of the "long run" of things.

I am happy to say, I am not on the front of fashion, and i don't give a monkeys nutt about what is considered fashionable. I choose what i like, and luckily i have good taste . I certainly stay away from the "fads" things like twisted jeans (erm, sorry, on spot thinking bought my brain to a quick death on this part) and no offense to Wizard, but pointy shoes. I hate to say it, but pointy shoes MIGHT last a year, but you won't see that many guys wearing them apart from the ones trying to be fashionable.................and in 1 year you will be embarrased to wear them........i don't have ANY footwear under a year old... - same with bright coloured shirts. Some are okay (white) but others (red, yellow, orange etc) are definate no's as it won't last!

I just remembered - There was one year back in about 96 when it was orange for everything. I knew people with orange trousers, shirts, t-shirts, jackets, everything was organe.............and within about 6 months - no-one was wearing it anymore (or ever again).......several hundred quid from some people for just a few months - very stupid

Ummmm.

Just to point out that Hawaiian shirts are not "fashion" so to speak. They've been around for a very very long time. I happen to like them and wear a few but I've not been able to afford the real deal... nor been able to find an authentic one that I like....but I digress (as usual )....

Fashion often also is a form of self expression. There may be some vanity involved, indeed some shallowness as well but of course, this is the off-catwalk type of fashions. And yet, much of what ends up on the catwalks come from the self-expressing "avant-garde" dressers out there.

It helps some to ...<Warning! Psycho-socio-babble! Warning!> individuate, it helps others to identify or become part of a group ...

@Taw

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course you could be like me, and be so dam handsome and charismatic that you transcend fashion, and become it

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I don't sport the grinning, gun-toting, gnome look, so I guess I don't have anything on you.

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Edited by - Sir Spectre on 3/17/2004 6:09:10 PM