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does their excist something as negative time

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:08 am

does their excist something as negative time

just wondering...

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Edited by - Stinger on 2/27/2004 2:53:29 PM

Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:14 am

That would have to a theory only, hard to prove. Unless you consider the time that you are late getting somewhere, Ie, you get there at 9:30 and you were suposse to be there at 9:00. That would then be :30 min negative time

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:49 am

surely every time you cross the international dateline you get negative time? Of course its only your own personal negative time, but thats besides the point, you didn't specify what you meant by your theory.

Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:11 pm

- first a little offtopic; i was thinking...

hmm... negative weight exist (taychon), this negative weight can slow down and speed up, but can't be lower then a point where somethig must be with no weight at all (this speed is a point off turn from positive to negative weight).

photons (light) have weight, so their speed isn't the same al the time, so it is possible for us to trafel that fast... (not that that is the point, so don't come back on this)

i was also thinking about a duelling what i readed 1 time for a post off me in a faster then light topic and in their where the 2 duelists going from eachother, while speed was some below the speed off light. so if u can call 1 as speed 0, the other will go faster then light, and trafel half time (a little point off topic), after 8 seconds the duelist will shoot (4 seconds for the half time person), so the shot will reach the other person before the gun was fired (this way the bullet had to travel in negative time!!! point off topic, but not sure ifthis is true), if the half time duelist was hitted and fired inmediate back he will hit the other person on the 2nd second (half time off the half time person!!!). this bullet had to travel also in negative time...

but how does this work if you kill someone with a bullet before you had fired it (easy saving ammo).

and still wondering how this is working... the bullet was in him, travel back to your gun (instead off travel to the person and out off the gun), go back in the magazine off the gun (ammo), so you begin with an empty magazine and ended after x-shots with a filled magazine!!! with weight lesser then the empty magazine, co'z the ammo is taychon and has got negative weight...

uh... shoot me... co'z i don't get this right now... maybe i need to read this another time again...

back to topic (again, some points are writen above off this also...);
does negative time excist or not???

negative weight is proven, faster then light is also proven by the negative weight...

i don't mean be to late, co'z then time time doesn't count back, but still in the same positive seconds...

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:36 pm

Hehe, a little childish but the rocket launching stations (like the ones that send shuttles to the moon) use negative time. What do you think they meant when they said T minus 10 seconds?

Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:49 pm

@Grom, The Int. DateLine Exists to set the timezones apart, but I will ponder your Theory thoroughly with all the resources I have

@DB, Allthough I am thinking of it, The evidence sofar is that only Mass can have a negative value. As Time does not consist of Mass, nor is it an Antimass of some sort. Plus the fact that Time has yet to be totally defined, My proliminary conclusion is therefore that this theory is stated wrong,

Subnote: But it does deserve further (philosophical) thought

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:52 pm


faster then light is also proven by the negative weight...


Faster than light is possible? Einstein would give you some hard beating if he was still alive.

Negative speed is possible though only theoratically. It's moving in the opposite direction in which you started. Negative voltage to (foto electrical stuff with elektrons) but negative time? When we have to believe Stephen King the old time is eaten by weird creatures.

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:54 pm

Wow, we can almost entirely discuss this in Dutch if we want. Loc, Wiz and DB are all Dutch, Finalday and Viper are clever enough to learn the Dutch lagueage and Gromit's confused in any language so that doesn't realy make any difference to him.

To bad I have no opinion about this

(Sorry for going OT, I couldn't resist)

Edit: Damn spelling.

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Post Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:05 pm

@wizard, i posted a few weeks ago something about the ftl-traveling (new topic), in their i had a link to the negative mass and ftl-traveling off the taychon, but can't find it anymore (maybe deleted???)... that theory was also maded by einstein... (edit; uh... it wasn't einsteins, but well...)

but well... founded it again...

duel with tachyon guns

and

the teory off tachyon and negative weight


Protons and such particles are regularly accelerated to near light speeds in science laboratories. But speed costs. The nearer the speed of light is achieved by a particle the heavier it gets, and the more energy is needed to make it go a bit faster. Proton particles whizzing around science labs require a power plant suitable for a medium-sized city. And the ‘labs’ have to be huge: Today, the rings that house these circulating protons are miles in diameter. Really large such experiments can only be funded by cooperating nation-states, such as is currently done in Europe.


and then off the posses negative weight tachyon


The subatomic particles that Schwindler discovered possess negative weight -- they, in effect weigh less than nothing. Thus, by Einstein’s formula, they can go faster than light. In fact they can travel infinitely fast. The only speed limit that Schwindler found for tachyons is that, as for light, the 300,000 km/sec speed limit is a limit, too: tachyons cannot slow down to the speed of light. And to slow them down requires ever increasing increments of negative energy, just as it takes more and more positive energy to accelerate ordinary matter. To make them go faster, by Schwindler's formula, this requires less and less energy! It's amazing, but true.


apox 300.000 km/s is the limit off all (possses negative as positive weighted things).

[quote=Things that have weight cannot exceed the speed of light, but can go any speed slower. Tachyons which possess negative weight, always travel very very fast, indeed, but cannot slow down to speed of light or go at a snail’s pace.




i know that i asked something else... but maybe this info helps u a bit more to the point i was talking about... negative time, wonder if it excist...


- edit;
nick, maybe ur right, but i will not test it
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Edited by - DragonBreath on 2/26/2004 2:09:54 PM

Post Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:22 pm

I may be clever enough to learn dutch, but there isn't a reason in the world to motivate me to do so .

Also, if you have an object (like a space ship) projecting light rays in all directions (like a light bulb), then there is no way that you can catch up to the light, because nothing with positive mass can reach the speed of light. That means, if you project the light in bursts, then the light will effectively be the limit that you can go in all directions.

When you reach a mass (like a planet or black hole), the light 'shells' will warp. The distance between the end of the shell towards the planet and the object will be greater than the distance between the end of the shell away from the planet and the object.

It's pretty much common sense, but it sometimes helps with physics when masses start reaching the speed of light (c ).

Post Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:14 pm

Der... the Enterprise DID seal an eruption of ANTI-TIME using a static warp shell..... saved the human race... helloooooo. Hrmph... amateurs. *rolls eyes*

Post Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:03 pm

but how do you know Q didn't just make that all up to help/annoy Slaphead?

btw if you cross the int. date line, you get to see yesterday! isn't that cool? you can go to the Island of the Day Before!

Edited by - Tawakalna on 2/27/2004 2:06:58 PM

Post Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:46 am

@viper, light can go as slow as i wand (ie. also speed 10km/h, it will loose enormous energy that way (light-photons have positive mass, so it can't break throught the point black speed a little faster then the speed off light (i getting a little gromity)).


btw if you cross the int. date line, you get to see yesterday! isn't that cool? you can go to the Island of the Day Before!


that would be nice... so i can go back to my vacation (off topic... i know)

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