There's three things I want in life; to be a kindergarden teacher(four more years, yay!), to get published and to live in a castle. Not one of those old castles with all the ghosts or anything. A brand new one in a nice area for my kids to grow up, preferrably somewhere close to where I grew up in, that was a nice place. Inside it can be just another house, as long as the outside looks really cool with arrowslits, ballistaes and other kewl stuff to play with when the kids are at school or football practice or whatever.

Edited by - bom on 2/12/2004 6:33:59 PM

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There IS not phark all down here!

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Yes, but I said it was so it MUST be true.
Seriously though, there's not much of that sort of work around in Adelaide and if there is, it's small potatoes stuff. I was a bit presumptuous to including the rest of Aus in that statement.

There are a few web design positions that I see advertised in Melbourne, but not that many. Most are for SAP Admins. Damn piece of outdated DB junk!

Sad thing about most "callings" is that the wage/salary paying vehicles available that most closely fit those vocations are anything from rather diluted and rather singular or limited aspects of them to even the antitheses of them. But you have to make a buck and support yourself so you make do.

@Esqy: If SAP is the way to get into the better paying jobs available for IT and you need to make money, I think the calculation is rather obvious... although you probably want to stay well versed in SQL (which must already be old) and all that object oriented stuff. Besides, to be good at it, it is a given that you are expert in the program. What you have to know even better is how to make it suit the specific business need and to do that, you actually have to understand the business. That definitely separates the men from the boys.

there is no money in web design guys...those days are over....nowadays you do it for the love of the job, or you don't do it at all.

Its really simple economics - dot com boom caused universities to prick up their ears and start combining computer courses with art courses to form "web design" or "Multimedia" courses. Meanwhile web designers are sought after so experienced designers (me me me!) started to get offered silly wages - and take them! Then dot coms start to fail and the industry bottoms out, putting aforementioned well paid designers on the dole (me me me!). The one's who could get jobs snapped them quickly, accepting any wage they could get - usually "reasonable" wages - and the others left the industry or stayed on the dole and freelanced. Now a year later (around 2002) those universities that formed their courses back in the boom start churning out "web designers" that know bugger all about the industry and have been taught material that is now 3 years out of date (but functional)....all of these end up on the dole. Which brings us to the current state of affairs. Those with jobs are thankful for them (unless they have a crappy boss - me me me!), and on the dole you have an assortment of over-experienced and extremely under-experienced designers. So what do companies do? They lower their wages (I'm talking 20K less than I was earning 3 years ago) - why? because they can. The desperate over-experienced go for the jobs and get disheartened by the pathetic wages and the under-experienced designers accept the jobs because they are still disillusioned enough to think that in six years they will be on double the wage. Really screwed up.

So the long and the short of it is that if you want to be a web designer - firstly be 100% sure you want to do it and then secondly consider being self-employed because its the only way you'll ever make any money.

@chips - you're more than welcome to work in my bar The more time I get in the surf the better

I want to be the guy who writes "asprin" on them little white pills, why? because i love the taste of vinegar!

Launch Pad, Launch Pad, I said build a Launch-Pad, boy you are a dumb as a stick- Instuctor, Dark Reign, Advanced Training 1

oh mr gromit, if you'd consider a move back up to the Midlands, there WILL be a job for a senior web designer at a certain compny we both know, because a certain cr*p web designer is about to be given his marching orders and not before time.

Indy - 'tis true, however I need to specialise. I've been trained in networking, and a job in Network/Systems Administration is where I should be heading. As for SAP, I've considered it, but database isn't really my area. Besides, the SAP engine is an outdated piece of obolete junk. If it weren't for large corporations holding on to it with a vice-like death-grip, it would died long ago. I know about SQL Server and MySQL, as well as VB6, HTML and JavaScript, alongside other struff, so I am not confined to one area. Still, I enjoy networking, and I have to stick to my interest areas. I was always taught that if you are going to work, choose something you enjoy. That's the plan.

id like to build the lego models for the catalogues

One wish eh? I'd like to be Bill Gates's son.

@taw at last! bet ya can't wait for that...be sure to take a digital camera into work that day I'm considering setting up a site to "name and shame" appaulling web designers

By the way, thanks for the offer, if my missus wasn't so firmly rooted I'd be there in a shot.


Edited by - gromit on 2/19/2004 1:26:46 PM

I am suprised with all the Modders on this site, no one wanted to be a program writer. Creating your own programs regaurdless wether its win, mac, linux or unix based. Get a good on, and make a good peice of change.

Finalday

Habaq Mot / Aspazomai Thanatos / Capere Obitus... /Keith Green\ (1953-1983)

The problem with programming is that is often mind-numbingly tedious, dull, and boring. Furthermore, the pay is not that great, unless you are very experienced, or have rare skills. There are exceptions to the above statements, however.

i'd want to be a Rock Star/Metal God and tour the world with my kick ass band, rockin the bras off all the ladies in our path

Kyp

The other day, in study hall, i farted really loud, you know...so the guys would laugh...and i swear it was so hanus that Susie Johnson almost ralphed up her salsbury steak.
it was freakin sweet...