Didn't matter. Most people would admit that he was a military genious. The fact that he lost later never diminished his previous decisive victories.
Didn't matter also if Bob Hope was born English - he later CHOSE to be American. Unlike many other Americans who are simply American by birth and take it for granted. Sober deeds are way more important than genetic heritage.
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Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:54 pm
what.. wasn't this supposed to be the welcome back thread for freighter?
and it turns to historic discussions about brit empires. you guys saying sth about how brit was never invaded since 10~~. well there were seriously near invasions if you'd care to think about it.. once was the spanish armada (or was it french?) and then the german blitz.. if the idiot guy - hitler dind't make his mistake ( i forgot what it was) then england woulda been conquered. elizabeth 1st was smart person. fended off the armada quite neatly. oh and about the biggest empire on earth.. i have to agree on that.. but back then, they'd got the best tech - with what - powdered guns and sharper knives.
and it turns to historic discussions about brit empires. you guys saying sth about how brit was never invaded since 10~~. well there were seriously near invasions if you'd care to think about it.. once was the spanish armada (or was it french?) and then the german blitz.. if the idiot guy - hitler dind't make his mistake ( i forgot what it was) then england woulda been conquered. elizabeth 1st was smart person. fended off the armada quite neatly. oh and about the biggest empire on earth.. i have to agree on that.. but back then, they'd got the best tech - with what - powdered guns and sharper knives.
Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:12 pm
Kimk: what.. wasn't this supposed to be the welcome back thread for freighter?
and it turns to historic discussions about brit empires. you guys saying sth about how brit was never invaded since 10~~. well there were seriously near invasions if you'd care to think about it
Me: Near invasions. How big a word near can be.
Kimk: .. once was the spanish armada (or was it french?)
Me: Spanish. At that wasn't an invasion as the invading fleet didn't touch dry land. In fact they barely saw our shore beofre they were destroyed. That was a complete white wash of a victory for us.
Kimk: and then the german blitz..
Me: One city was heavily damaged, and a few military bits and bobs here and there. In return most of industrial Germany was destroyed, and a fair part of non-industrial Germany too.
Kimk: if the idiot guy - hitler dind't make his mistake ( i forgot what it was) then england woulda been conquered.
Me: Hitlers only mistake was not invading England fast enough. His own words were "The English Navy scares the hell out of me". If he'd have picked on France and England in the early days, back in 1936 then odds on the only opposition he'd have had left were Russia (Big on manpower and not much else at the time) and the US, you quite frankly didn't give two hoots about the war until Pearl Harbour and the sinking of the Lusitania (Which as the Germans said, was illiegally carrying arms)
Kimk: elizabeth 1st was smart person. Fended off the armada quite neatly.
Me: True, she was smart, but it was Drake I think who fended off the Armada, and upon being told of there arival insisted that he finish of his game of bowls.
Kimk: oh and about the biggest empire on earth.. i have to agree on that.. but back then, they'd got the best tech - with what - powdered guns and sharper knives
Lutz: I don't think that that was a key factor, the spanish had bigger ships, and a knife at that tim ecould only be made so sharp on a whetstone. I think it was actually the fact that we built the best boats. the Spanish onces were designed to hit hard, but ours were faster, more manervable and could almost rival their firepower (Titan=Eagle debateors, look at history!) The speed enabled us to land armies fast in a lot of places. We weren't nice to the people we conquered either, England was the centre of the slave trade too, not a good part of our history. At the end of the day we did conquer and brought a lot of the horrors that go with Empires. Back on land we got soundedly whooped by the Americans when they declared independance. I'm sure that that wasn't the only time either. Although original point, we tw*ted Napoloen.
Edited by - Lutz on 29-07-2003 14:29:50
Edited by - Lutz on 29-07-2003 14:31:39
and it turns to historic discussions about brit empires. you guys saying sth about how brit was never invaded since 10~~. well there were seriously near invasions if you'd care to think about it
Me: Near invasions. How big a word near can be.
Kimk: .. once was the spanish armada (or was it french?)
Me: Spanish. At that wasn't an invasion as the invading fleet didn't touch dry land. In fact they barely saw our shore beofre they were destroyed. That was a complete white wash of a victory for us.
Kimk: and then the german blitz..
Me: One city was heavily damaged, and a few military bits and bobs here and there. In return most of industrial Germany was destroyed, and a fair part of non-industrial Germany too.
Kimk: if the idiot guy - hitler dind't make his mistake ( i forgot what it was) then england woulda been conquered.
Me: Hitlers only mistake was not invading England fast enough. His own words were "The English Navy scares the hell out of me". If he'd have picked on France and England in the early days, back in 1936 then odds on the only opposition he'd have had left were Russia (Big on manpower and not much else at the time) and the US, you quite frankly didn't give two hoots about the war until Pearl Harbour and the sinking of the Lusitania (Which as the Germans said, was illiegally carrying arms)
Kimk: elizabeth 1st was smart person. Fended off the armada quite neatly.
Me: True, she was smart, but it was Drake I think who fended off the Armada, and upon being told of there arival insisted that he finish of his game of bowls.
Kimk: oh and about the biggest empire on earth.. i have to agree on that.. but back then, they'd got the best tech - with what - powdered guns and sharper knives
Lutz: I don't think that that was a key factor, the spanish had bigger ships, and a knife at that tim ecould only be made so sharp on a whetstone. I think it was actually the fact that we built the best boats. the Spanish onces were designed to hit hard, but ours were faster, more manervable and could almost rival their firepower (Titan=Eagle debateors, look at history!) The speed enabled us to land armies fast in a lot of places. We weren't nice to the people we conquered either, England was the centre of the slave trade too, not a good part of our history. At the end of the day we did conquer and brought a lot of the horrors that go with Empires. Back on land we got soundedly whooped by the Americans when they declared independance. I'm sure that that wasn't the only time either. Although original point, we tw*ted Napoloen.
Edited by - Lutz on 29-07-2003 14:29:50
Edited by - Lutz on 29-07-2003 14:31:39
Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:31 pm
Napolean actually conquered most of Europe twice -- the first time he was defeated by several armies after he tried to invade Russia. He was then exiled, but managed to escape and return to France, where he regained power, formed another army, and retook much of Europe before being defeated by the British at Waterloo. The British then exiled him again, and this time placed a regiment of troops on the island to make sure he stayed exiled.
(Of course, it took the British two tries to get rid of him, so don't you Brits feel too special.
)
Edited by - Huffer on 29-07-2003 14:32:09
(Of course, it took the British two tries to get rid of him, so don't you Brits feel too special.
)
Edited by - Huffer on 29-07-2003 14:32:09
Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:33 am
With all these comments about france, I feel it necessary to demonstrate just why we don't accept politics here. I have 60% french blood running through my veins right now; my grandfather was born in Strasbourg; yet I am a devout conservative. (Yes Huffer, we do have some French people on this site-or at least some of French descent) Although I agree that Jacques Chirac deserves to have mallards shoved down his throat and into his ears, I sit in my school cafeteria brimming with rage every single day as I hear "French people are assholes" coming from left and right. Firstly, this whole boycott of French products does nothing but hurt the good conservatives out in the country who make the wines and cheeses, and who actually support the US. Secondly, while I have met many French people who are liberals and are strongly against us during my yearly trips to France, we've got a lot of 'em here, too.
Bargib, Wizard, and any other admins reading this right now, I'm sorry for bringing up politics, but I felt it necessary to defend myself.
That will be all. Have a nice day
edit: Lutz, the Lusitania was WW1
Also, as I'm sure you all know William the Conqueror successfully defeated Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, effectively securing all of England as his territory. As William himself was French, England was under the control of the Normans for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Well, isn't that food for thought?
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Edited by - Fang on 30-07-2003 03:35:08
Edited by - Fang on 30-07-2003 03:42:50
Bargib, Wizard, and any other admins reading this right now, I'm sorry for bringing up politics, but I felt it necessary to defend myself.
That will be all. Have a nice day
edit: Lutz, the Lusitania was WW1
Also, as I'm sure you all know William the Conqueror successfully defeated Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, effectively securing all of England as his territory. As William himself was French, England was under the control of the Normans for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Well, isn't that food for thought?
___________________________
-Fang
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein
A Liberal is a man who is too broad-minded to take his own side in an argument.
-Robert Frost
Join my army[!
Edited by - Fang on 30-07-2003 03:35:08
Edited by - Fang on 30-07-2003 03:42:50
Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:44 am
They have had the single most powerful and the biggest empire to have ever been on this earth
Aint the romans ones who had greatest empire, or was it mongoles...I am sure as hell it was no tea people.
How would you win a war when every 2 hours you have tea time...?
I felt like adding some fuel to this discussion.
Leonhart
General of 1st Cruiser Wing
Edited by - leonhart on 30-07-2003 04:48:58
Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:00 am
Napolean is an example of France being able to "fight" a war. But they can't clinch the game.
Um...again, the French took over England in 1066, and it was ruled by the Normans for centuries...
And, even though I'm an American, I feel no shame in admitting that the Marquis de Lafayette won our revolution for us
___________________________
-Fang
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the former.
-Albert Einstein
A Liberal is a man who is too broad-minded to take his own side in an argument.
-Robert Frost
Join my army[!
Edited by - Fang on 30-07-2003 06:01:00
Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:06 am
Quote: edit: Lutz, the Lusitania was WW1
Also, as I'm sure you all know William the Conqueror successfully defeated Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, effectively securing all of England as his territory. As William himself was French, England was under the control of the Normans for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Well, isn't that food for thought?
I stand corrected. I thought the Lusitania was WW2. My bad.
And this thread wasn't on about politics and who was superior (Belive me, I don't want to get into politics, there's nothing more boring.) it was about empires and what not. As I mentioned yes the Normans conquered here in 1066, and yes they ruled us for a good while, long enough to effectively become Emglish themselves. The point I was making is that England has gone the longest without being conquered.
The Roman Empire was no where near the greatest Empire. It help to forcivly "civalise" part of Euprope and that's about it. At it's greatest it control a fair chunk of Europe and a bit of Africa.
The Mongol Empire was the biggest in terms of land size I think. Not sure though.
Also, as I'm sure you all know William the Conqueror successfully defeated Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, effectively securing all of England as his territory. As William himself was French, England was under the control of the Normans for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Well, isn't that food for thought?
I stand corrected. I thought the Lusitania was WW2. My bad.
And this thread wasn't on about politics and who was superior (Belive me, I don't want to get into politics, there's nothing more boring.) it was about empires and what not. As I mentioned yes the Normans conquered here in 1066, and yes they ruled us for a good while, long enough to effectively become Emglish themselves. The point I was making is that England has gone the longest without being conquered.
The Roman Empire was no where near the greatest Empire. It help to forcivly "civalise" part of Euprope and that's about it. At it's greatest it control a fair chunk of Europe and a bit of Africa.
The Mongol Empire was the biggest in terms of land size I think. Not sure though.
Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:23 pm
Well Arcon it's true. Which is why racism is so annoying.
Did you know true, TRUE english people, the people originally from these lands, were wiped out ages ago? The Britsh are a nice mix of people from other countries. Anglos-Saxon-Normans-Vikings et al..
And yes, lets change topic. WB!
Did you know true, TRUE english people, the people originally from these lands, were wiped out ages ago? The Britsh are a nice mix of people from other countries. Anglos-Saxon-Normans-Vikings et al..
And yes, lets change topic. WB!
Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:22 pm
Ok so you went to france because...
Three dots is enough Heretic
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Edited by - Wizard on 30-07-2003 17:34:26
Three dots is enough Heretic
USLF
USLF
United Sirius Liberation Front
We accept everyone and anyone.
http://heretic666.proboards21.com/
Go to our boards.
Edited by - Wizard on 30-07-2003 17:34:26
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