sorry bout the link here is another one that will link you to hte siad forum and accusations and so called proof
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/g.bewick.g ... apons.html

like this really concerns us

*i removed the chain letter from my sig*

This guy is Nixon, check the typing and grammar, he thinks that by logging in under different names he's going to fool people into thinking he has some support, then he use then same lack of punctuation and grammar under every alias. It's funny as hell really.

yo Mcflurry i aint mofo if ya play ya were there when this happened ya would know i was playing at the same time and i saw everything from start to finish the amount off times they died and when they booted and banned him from the server so stfu you know nothing as to who i am and who mofo is he is a honest lpayer and dowsnt cheat he has no need to were as bg accused him off cheating cause he was killing them and they didnt like it so called best of the best like yea whatever how come i aint never seen them in any other servers ill tell ya why cause they got no control over ommocron sectors in other servers and no admin rights so they wouldnt be able to boot people and respawn them at new york or even remove cash and class ten sheilds like they did to me i had 1.7 million removed from my account and my class ten sheild was replaced with a class 7 thats how sad and povered they are it says on there website they will DEFEND there territory at all costs well if there winning they will keep fighting but when they loseing then they respawn people and mess with there charactors cash and equitment so yea they might be the best of something and thats getting killed and respawning people who beat them and if that dont work accuse players off cheating and bann them if they so good why dont they come to jolt and play agianst us there lets see what they can do without admin powers not a lot i suspect and like i have already siad lets see some real screenshots and some real proof instead off that crap that they put up its a joke it doesnt say who it is no name or nothing so before you go blabbering your silly little mouth agian take a step back and look in the mirror cause i suspect you are one off them anyway which just goes to show ya cant play a decent game and lose with honour like the motto says when ya jion there server mess with the best and die like the rest ? shouldnt that be mess wiht the best and be respawned at new york like the rest? gimme a break fool

by the way i was talking to you doc lol

This probably should have been listed in one of the other forums, but made its way here. Even though I have better things to do with my time, I also like reading other forums to find cheaters to look out for on my servers. One thing I would like to point out, just using the console side for the FLserver to read for "cheats" is like saying that driving 5 miles under the speed limit is against the law. The Flserver console will show player accounts to a degree, but if you went by every red and yellow flagging shown on it, come on honestly you'd have like 5 players. If you took the actual time to go digging in their files and see if these people were actually modders, you'd probably find squat.

When I first started hosting a server I had the only knowledge of the Flserver console to check for possible; I repeat "possible", cheaters. It is not a definitive way to check for so called cheating. As many people that are against the IFSO program, it is one of the better cheat stoppers out there. You can name whatever you want as bannable or not.

People that use the unlimited ammo and bots/batts trainers can be caught with a scan and screenshot, as it will show them as having 999 ammo or bots/batts. IFSO allows you to physically see the players file, their cargo, and dig through the main parts to check equipment even without ID or names.

I would not even begin to know the rules on this server that is being slammed and talked about, nor do I really care. Point is, if you are going to ban someone for cheating, then you should have better proof than a nameless half guessing console system that flags almost every person that comes onto the server...especially if they are a new character account.

You all should have someone create a neutral server where you can duke it out and settle your problems once and for all. Winner walks away, loser walks away......hands down a fair fight with no admin interference except to put you in equal ships and guns/launchers if need be......



Skyevalen - Admin/Server Op
Hunters Association
http://www.sccommand.com/hunters/

I can't believe I wasted 5 minutes actually following that link and reading your stupid complaints on that other forum. Only reason I did it was because I saw Mark had posted a reply, and I've known him forever and respect him, so I wanted to see what he had to say.

Anyways, you mentioned jolt server. . . what name do you play with on the jolt server?

we play in jolt and wireplay uk NIXON is also known as [GIKCRAZY_MOFO we have played this game for a long time and never ever been accused off cheating always had good fair fights and complimented the other players if we win or lose we dont really care about what bg think about us cause all off gik know that mofo doesnt cheat thats the main issue here he was accused off cheating without any real proof he they just cant handle it cause he was taking them two of them out time after time so they call him a cheat so much for there clan honour in acting in this way they are not only showing themselves up but also there clan tag

I would like to say that I took a closer look into those forums last night and saw a thread about a known cheaters list.......about 5 people on that list play on my servers and we've never had a problem with them cheating with us, so anyone that looks at that cheaters list should disregard it as it does not seem to be a viable list.

I now remember the BG clan, from my noob days on Elite over a year ago. Also remember they could not pvp well. I used to have a character on Elite named Agent Kiran, ran into a couple of them one night bullying lesser players.....and they were taught a lesson in return....

Skyevalen - Admin/Server Op
Hunters Association
http://www.sccommand.com/hunters/

@ sky don't you mean [UG ? would have been last june-july maybe august as well. If it was [UG then I know of them and know for a fact they did have spawn cheats. Just wish I have IFSO then as it would have caught them spawning uber hulls.

edit: and yeah there reasons for the ban on that forum are shakey. Debug info from the server console can't be linked to anyone player if there are a number of player online. But Server load and admin experience would but not seen any valid info to back it up.

Edited by - Pinger on 3/17/2004 1:54:13 PM

@pinger........hard to say, can't remember too much from a year ago in this community lol......UG, BG, pretty sure it was BG or maybe they weren't that yet....but sure seems like the same people with a new 'name'. Any server that bans people for invading a territory or system to get an eagle has some pretty strange server ethics. Of course any server that the majority of the server is only that clan, should not be a public server anyways.

And I do agree with the console thing, it does not list player account folder numbers......those are just random numbers given to players on a server for it to be able to read the file in binary. It would seem only the cheaters don't like the IFSO because they know it catches more cheating devices than anything else out there currently.

Skyevalen - Admin/Server Op
Hunters Association
http://www.sccommand.com/hunters/

Erm, if these bg clan people are the admins, and they are as bad as you say, why are you playing their server?

Either way, whether they are that bad or not, why don't you find another server if you aren't happy there anyway?

we were just useing there server as a temporary measure till wireplay uk came back online but thought i would just get a few pionts of view from public people who also play this game bg are the same group as ug they both play in that server im not saying all off them are the same but the vast majority off them are losers and cant handle a asswipping like i siad both myself and nixon alias gik crazy mofo know that he doesnt cheat he doesnt have to hes a hell off a player we exposed a modder ourself not so long back with a proper screenshot showing a liberty platform cannon on there ship and we made it clear to all in the server that we would scan everyone we came accross and if any mods were seen we would post them on my website and link it in the wireplay forum we love this game and to be accused off cheating by people who have to cheat themselves to try and win without much success i might say then that is way out off order i appreciate your comments and ty for taking the time to read and reply to this subject we have no intention off going back in there server as wireplay is back up and running and were back in biusness maybe yall would come and play with us some time and have some fun after all its just a game but there are people out there power crazy fools that take it far to serious.