Weird damage problem

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:34 am by Starman Omega

For my mod, one of the weapons is an unguided bomb which has almost no muzzle velocity, so you have to go fast when launching it. But there's a problem with the damage, the weakest version is supposed to do only 2100 hull damage but when I tested it against some Titans, it took off half their hull when I hit them with it! I know explosions do more damage based on the projectile speed, but that is ridiculous! What's even stranger is that it didn't happen when I tested it against some nomads and an armored transport at manhattan, and I know the corsairs didn't have armor downgrades. Is there any way to fix this while keeping the explosion? (want to have a large blast radius on the bomb)

BTW here's the weapon code (For some reason I need the seeker entry or the bomb doesn't show up when I launch it and the game crashes when it explodes):

[Explosion
nickname = bomb_mark01_explosion
effect = ku_mine02_blast25
lifetime = 0.000000, 0.000000
process = disappear
strength = 0
radius = 125
hull_damage = 2100
energy_damage = 0
impulse = 0

[Munition
nickname = bomb_mark01_ammo
explosion_arch = bomb_mark01_explosion
loot_appearance = ammo_crate
units_per_container = 1
hp_type = hp_torpedo
requires_ammo = true
hit_pts = 50
one_shot_sound = fire_mine_regular
detonation_dist = 30
lifetime = 12
force_gun_ori = false
DA_archetype = equipment\models\weapons\bomb.cmp
material_library = equipment\models\ge_equip.mat
const_effect = li_mine01
seeker = DUMB
time_to_lock = 0
seeker_range = 2640
seeker_fov_deg = 35
max_angular_velocity = 0
ids_name = 265163
ids_info = 266163
mass = 1
volume = 0.000000

[Gun
nickname = bomb_mark01
ids_name = 263163
ids_info = 264163
DA_archetype = equipment\models\weapons\ku_recognizer_launcher.cmp
material_library = equipment\models\ku_equip.mat
HP_child = HPConnect
hit_pts = 1405
explosion_resistance = 1.000000
debris_type = debris_normal
parent_impulse = 20
child_impulse = 80
volume = 0.000000
mass = 10
hp_gun_type = hp_torpedo_special_2
damage_per_fire = 0
power_usage = 0
refire_delay = 2
muzzle_velocity = 20
toughness = 12.100000
projectile_archetype = bomb_mark01_ammo
dry_fire_sound = fire_dry
separation_explosion = sever_debris
auto_turret = false
turn_rate = 90
lootable = true
LODranges = 0, 20, 60, 100

Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:30 am by Cold_Void

it's caused by explosion radius & root_health_proxy's -

original FL ships, when coded as it is in the INI's, have subgroups for damage and these(and this is only how i recall it being explained)transfer their own hitpoint's damage X "PLAYER_COLLISION_GROUP_HIT_PTS_SCALE = " directly to core-hull hitpoints(the first hitpoints under a {Ship} section)

so,when the radius of the explosion enclosed the ship entirely(as a 125 meter radius explosion would for fighters)it did 2100 damage to _every_ subgroup, which will add up to enough to destroy the ship. i haven't actually had to adress this specific problem but if my understanding is correct that's why it happens

increasing the "lifetime =" numbers which apparently control hull and energy damage's lifetimes, may slow the rate damage happens at(i haven't confirmed this theory but i know it has been used to make one-hit kill shield dropping-hull busters, so its definitely worth a try )

more drastic solutions could be raising PLAYER_COLLISION_GROUP_HIT_PTS_SCALE = 3, or lowering the explosion damage, or reducing its radius, or increasing subgroup hitpoints in the shiparch, or removing root_health_proxy lines

heh = )

Edited by - Cold_Void on 2/3/2006 11:32:13 AM

Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:03 am by Starman Omega

Well I lowered the blast radius to 45, and that works. The high blast radius wasn't hitting groups of fighters like it was supposed to anyway. Thanks for the help.

Edited by - Starman Omega on 2/4/2006 2:03:07 AM

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