What''s wrong with this faction?

Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:43 pm by Zack Lyons

I created a patrol for a new faction from Manhatten to Newark Station. I can launch easily: but then I just sit there for hours, with none of the new ships appearing. I checked the code (created by the team's faction editor) myself, and in the NPCShips ini file I copied the details from other ships exactly.

Now, I do have one possible clue. In empathy.ini it appears he didn't put si_mi_grp at the bottom of every other faction. Would this stop the ships from appearing? Is it supposed to be in every other faction's coding in empathy.ini ?
If it is supposed to be there, wouldnt this make the game crash? Or just prevent the appearance of ships?

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Leader of the Republic Mod Team.
"Criminal Organisations don't just spring up overnight. It's a conspiracy" - overheard on a a Liberty comm frequency

Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:13 pm by EArTh

Post your patrol and your encounter lines here.

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:33 am by Caid

I have a same problem.

This is from faction_props.ini

[FactionProps
affiliation = gdi_grp
msg_id_prefix = gdi
Legality = Lawful
jump_preference = jumpgate
mc_costume = mc_co
nickname_plurality = singular
firstname_male = 226608, 226741
firstname_femal = 226808, 226952
lastname = 227008, 227307
rank_desig = 197002, 197003, 197004, 6, 9
formation_desig = 197808, 197820
large_ship_desig = 196976
large_ships_names = 202608, 202647
scan_chance = 0
scan_announce = False
formation = fighters, fighter_guild
space_costume = li_captain_head, li_male_elite_body, comm_ge_generic2
space_costume = pl_female2_head, li_female_elite_body, comm_ge_generic2_female
NPC_Ship = gdi_fighter
voice = pilot_f_mil_m01
voice = pilot_f_mil_m02
voice = pilot_f_leg_f01
voice = pilot_f_leg_f01a

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:34 am by Caid

this is from npcships.ini

[NPCShipArch
nickname = gdi_bomber
loadout = gdi_bomber_loadout01
level = d19
ship_archetype = gdi_bomber
pilot = pilot_military_ace
state_graph = FIGHTER
npc_class = lawful, class_bomber, d12, d13, d14, d15, d16, d17, d18, d19

[NPCShipArch
nickname = gdi_fighter
loadout = gdi_fighter_loadout01
level = d19
ship_archetype = gdi_fighter
pilot = pilot_military_ace
state_graph = FIGHTER
npc_class = lawful, class_fighter, d12, d13, d14, d15, d16, d17, d18, d19

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:35 am by Caid

empathy.ini

[RepChangeEffects
group = gdi_grp
event = object_destruction, -0.030000
event = random_mission_success, 0.089600
event = random_mission_failure, -0.045000
event = random_missin_abortion, -0.067500
emphaty_rate = li_lsf_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = li_n_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = li_p_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = br_n_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = br_p_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = ku_n_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = ku_p_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = rh_n_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = rh_p_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_shi_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_khc_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_kt_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = br_m_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_me_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_be_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_rs_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_vr_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_ni_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = rh_m_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_ti_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_ic_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_ss_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_hsp_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_alg_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_os_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = co_nws_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_c_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_ou_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_rh_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_bd_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_j_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_h_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_m_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_x_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_b_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_g_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_lh_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_u_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_gc_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_lwb_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_fa_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_lr_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_or_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = gd_gm_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_uk_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_n_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_ln_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_kn_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_rn_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_ouk_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_g_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = fc_f_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = gd_im_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = gd_z_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = gd_bh_grp, 0
emphaty_rate = nod_grp, -0.350000

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:36 am by Caid

loadouts.ini

[Loadout
nickname = gdi_fighter_loadout01
archetype = gdi_fighter
equip = ge_orca_engine_01
equip = shield01_mark05_lf, HpShield01
equip = infinite_power
equip = ge_s_scanner_02
equip = ge_s_tractor_01
equip = ge_s_thruster_01, HpThruster01
equip = armor_scale_2
equip = orca_missile_turret01, HpWeapon01
equip = gdi_nr30, HpWeapon02
equip = gdi_nr30, HpWeapon03
equip = orca_missile_turret01, HpWeapon04
equip = cruise_disruptor01_mark01, HpTorpedo01
cargo = cruise_disruptor01_mark01_ammo, 5
equip = ge_s_cm_01, HpCM01
cargo = ge_s_cm_01_ammo, 20
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpRunningLight01
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpRunningLight02
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpRunningLight03
equip = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight04
equip = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight05
equip = DockingLightRedSmall, HpDockLight01
equip = DockingLightRedSmall, HpDockLight02

[Loadout
nickname = gdi_bomber_loadout01
archetype = gdi_bomber
equip = ge_orca_engine_01
equip = shield01_mark05_hf, HpShield01
equip = infinite_power
equip = ge_s_scanner_02
equip = ge_s_tractor_01
equip = ge_s_thruster_01, HpThruster01
equip = armor_scale_2
equip = gdi_nr30, HpWeapon01
equip = li_turret01_mark01, HpTurret01
equip = li_turret01_mark01, HpTurret02
equip = torpedox, HpTorpedo01
equip = torpedox, HpTorpedo02
equip = torpedox, HpTorpedo03
equip = torpedox, HpTorpedo04
equip = mine01_mark02, HpMine01
equip = mine01_mark02, HpMine02
cargo = mine01_mark02_ammo, 30
equip = ge_s_cm_01, HpCM01
cargo = ge_s_cm_01_ammo, 20
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpRunningLight01
equip = LargeWhiteSpecial, HpRunningLight02
equip = SlowLargeBlue, HpRunningLight03
equip = DockingLightRedSmall, HpDockLight01
equip = DockingLightRedSmall, HpDockLight02

Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:38 am by Caid

and this from Rh01.ini

[zone
nickname = zone_rh01_pop_berlin
pos = 51766, 0, 7701
shape = SPHERE
size = 6000
comment = Berlin
sort = 9
toughness = 10
density = 12
repop_time = 10
max_battle_size = 8
pop_type = rh_p_grp, co_khc_grp, base_cluster_law
relief_time = 10
faction_weight = rh_n_grp, 6
faction_weight = gdi_grp, 6
faction_weight = rh_p_grp, 9
faction_weight = rh_p_grp_prisoners, 5
faction_weight = co_alg_grp, 10
faction_weight = co_khc_grp, 10
faction_weight = rh_m_grp, 10
faction_weight = co_ni_grp, 10
faction_weight = co_rs_grp, 10
faction_weight = co_ss_grp, 10
density_restriction = 4, unlawfuls
encounter = area_defend, 10, 0.120000
faction = gdi_grp, 0.470000
faction = rh_n_grp, 0.270000
faction = rh_p_grp, 0.270000
encounter = area_armored_prisoner, 10, 0.030000
faction = rh_p_grp, 1.000000
encounter = area_trade_freighter, 10, 0.100000
faction = co_alg_grp, 0.250000
faction = co_khc_grp, 0.250000
faction = rh_m_grp, 0.250000
faction = co_rs_grp, 0.250000
encounter = area_trade_transport, 10, 0.080000
faction = co_alg_grp, 0.170000
faction = co_khc_grp, 0.170000
faction = rh_m_grp, 0.170000
faction = co_ni_grp, 0.170000
faction = co_rs_grp, 0.170000
faction = co_ss_grp, 0.170000
encounter = area_trade_armored, 10, 0.020000
faction = co_khc_grp, 0.500000
faction = rh_m_grp, 0.500000
encounter = area_lifter, 10, 0.020000
faction = co_rs_grp, 1.000000
encounter = area_repair, 10, 0.020000
faction = co_rs_grp, 1.000000
encounter = capitalships_Rheinland, 19, 0.0500000
faction = rh_n_grp, 1.000000
encounter = capitalships_Escorts, 19, 0.0500000
faction = rh_n_grp, 1.000000

few changes were made also in shiparch and various equipment inis, but they shouldn't have effect on it

Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:56 am by RimShot

encounter = area_defend, 10, 0.120000 <-- d10 here
faction = gdi_grp, 0.470000

but above you have set the npcships ranging from difficulty 12-19 ..

also, i noticed the gdi_bomber is not added to faction_prop.ini

may this help you

Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:24 am by Zack Lyons

The patrol route works fine I think. If I were to put a different faction on it it would work fine: I think it's just this new faction.

Can I send it to anyone here?

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Leader of the Republic Mod Team.
"Criminal Organisations don't just spring up overnight. It's a conspiracy" - overheard on a a Liberty comm frequency

Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:12 am by Caid

Interesting that Rheinland Bomber, which is added for Military spawns within area_defend clusters, and it has same difficulty entry. However, my custom faction still doesn't show up, even in the reputation list.

Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:19 pm by Zack Lyons

Sorry to break away from his patrol: but is there anyone who I can send the files of MY faction?

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Leader of the Republic Mod Team.
"Criminal Organisations don't just spring up overnight. It's a conspiracy" - overheard on a a Liberty comm frequency

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:17 pm by Mace_166

On your NPCship file you have the bomber classed as "class_bomber" if you just class it as a "class_fighter" it will pop normally. unless u have added to missions/encounters/...
You would also need to define the class bombe in the ship-classes file. It would be easiest just call it a bomber it won`t behave any differently.
Hope this can b of some help..

Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:21 pm by Mace_166

Zack you do need to add an entry for each new system on every other faction, it is a bit of a pain but it won`t work properly otherwise.

Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:59 am by Zack Lyons

Each new SYSTEM? Do you mean file? If you know how to make a working faction, can I send it to you so you can see what's wrong?

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Leader of the Republic Mod Team.
"Criminal Organisations don't just spring up overnight. It's a conspiracy" - overheard on a a Liberty comm frequency

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:04 pm by Aravis

Caid, put it all into one post instead of multiple posts that just gets annoying as ive been told and people dont like that

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