Nomad Encounters never working

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:02 am by Ro9ue

Hello,
I have read all the forums and posts about this subject on LR now; I have tried adding Nomad gunboats and battleships for about a full 36 hours, and I have absolutely nothing to show for it, progress-wise. So please don't say, "Read the FAQs or the 'Got-it-all' forum" -- I have, and I've tried to get this working for the past day and a half.
I can get fighters without so much as a hitch (I have given them shields now) but these capships just WILL NOT appear anywhere. I'm trying to get them in Ew05 (Outcast Unknown).
Here is what I have; if anyone can see the problem, I would be most appreciative if they could give me a hand:
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In npcships.ini:
[NPCShipArch
nickname = fc_n_Nomad_Gunboat_d19
loadout = Nom_Gunboat_hard
level = d19
ship_archetype = no_gunboat
pilot = gunboat_default
state_graph = GUNBOAT
npc_class = unlawful, class_gunboat, d19

[NPCShipArch
nickname = fc_n_Nomad_Battleship_d25
loadout = Nom_Battleship_hard
level = d19
ship_archetype = no_battleship
pilot = cruiser_default
state_graph = CRUISER
npc_class = unlawful, battleship, class_battleship, d19
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In faction_props:
[FactionProps
affiliation = fc_n_grp
legality = unlawful
nickname_plurality = plural
msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_faction_fc_n
jump_preference = jumpgate
npc_ship = MSN13_Nomad_Fighter_Populator
npc_ship = fc_n_no_fighter_d19
npc_ship = no_Elite_d19
npc_ship = fc_n_Nomad_Gunboat_d19
npc_ship = fc_n_Nomad_Battleship_d25
mc_costume = mc_fc
firstname_male = 229608, 229608
firstname_female = 229608, 229608
lastname = 229608, 229608
large_ship_desig = 196982
large_ship_names = 202908, 202947
rank_desig = 197140, 197140, 197140, 10, 15
formation_desig = 197808, 197820
formation = fighters, fighter_guild
npc_ship = Nomad_Gunboat
npc_ship = Nomad_Battleship
formation = gunboats, gunboat_wall
formation = battleships, battleship_wall
formation = gunboats, gunboat_ku_n
formation = battleships, battleship1_rh_n
__________
In loadouts_special:
[Loadout
nickname = Nom_Gunboat_hard
archetype = no_gunboat
equip = infinite_power
equip = ge_ng_engine_01
equip = ge_s_scanner_02
equip = armor_scale_9
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_01
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_02
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_03
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_04
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_05
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_06
cargo = special_nomad_gun01, 1
cargo = ge_s_repair_01, 10

[Loadout
nickname = Nom_Battleship_hard
archetype = no_battleship
equip = infinite_power
equip = ge_s_scanner_02
equip = armor_scale_10
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_01
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_02
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_03
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_04
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_05
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_06
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_07
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_08
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_09
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_10
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_11
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_12
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_13
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_14
equip = nomad_turret01_mark01, Hp_1_15
equip = fx_Nomad_battleship_engine, HpEngine01
cargo = special_nomad_gun02, 1
cargo = ge_s_repair_01, 20
cargo = ge_s_battery_01, 20
_______
In Universe\Systems\Ew05\Ew05.ini:
(((at the top of file)))
[EncounterParameters
nickname = area_battleships
filename = missions\encounters\area_battleships.in
and
[EncounterParameters
nickname = area_gunboats
filename = missions\encounters\area_gunboats.ini
(((farther down in a zone I made)))
[Zone
nickname = Zone_Ew05_pop_ambient_03
pos = 715, 0, 13590
rotate = 0, 57, 0
shape = ELLIPSOID
size = 23963, 18061, 18061
sort = 51
toughness = 19
density = 24
repop_time = 25
max_battle_size = 25
damage = 0
spacedust = puffdust
spacedust_maxparticles = 0
interference = 0.000000
pop_type = Background
relief_time = 35
population_additive = false
faction_weight = fc_or_grp, 1
faction_weight = fc_ou_grp, 1
faction_weight = fc_n_grp, 20
encounter = area_scout, 19, 0.280000
faction = fc_or_grp, 0.800000
faction = fc_ou_grp, 0.200000
encounter = area_gunboats, 19, 0.200000
faction = fc_n_grp, 1.000000
encounter = area_battleships, 19, 1.000000
faction = fc_n_grp, 1

In this zone, I get nothing except more and more Order (I added it to the Rep list and its own fighters), Outcast, and Nomad fighters - NO capships whatsoever.
If anyone can see what I have wrong, I would again be very grateful for any help. I have tried putting this encounter into the Zone around Manhattan as other people have done successfully, but I still get nothing there.

Thank you very much for any help or advice!

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:24 am by Chips

So whats the formation file look like? And it won't help when your encounter parameter reference in the file points to this particular file - which the game would wonder about:

area_battleships.in

Surely an ini file would be better.

Lets see the rest of this, as its pointless to post up half and expect people to find your errors!

Oh - te formation you have given them, the encounter file you have for them, etc etc.

Edited by - Chips on 6/14/2004 9:25:03 AM

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:36 am by Black Eagle

Hi Rogue!
In my mod I have working Nomad capship encounters, so I think I know how to do them.
At first I think that you should make new encounter files and not use the existing area_gunboats and area_battleships (I'm not really sure if there are such files in the original game?). Your new encounter files should look like this:

[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_battleships
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 5, 5, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = battleships
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation
permutation = 0, 3

I named this file "capitalships_nomads.ini, because there are 5 gunboats and a battleship in it. You also have to add these lines to shipclasses.ini for that, because the original game does not know sc_battleships and sc_gunboats:

[ShipClass
nickname = sc_gunboats
member = class_gunboat

[ShipClass
nickname = sc_battleships
member = class_battleship

The secon thing is, that there is no battleship_wall formation in the original game. As you have this formation in your faction_prop.ini, you also need it in formations.ini. It should look like this:

[Formation
nickname = battleship_wall
pos = 0, 0, 0
pos = 400, 0, 0
pos = -400, 0, 0
pos = 0, 200, 0
pos = 400, 200, 0
pos = -400, 200, 0
pos = 400, 0, 0
pos = 400, 200, 0
pos = 0, -200, 0
pos = 400, -200, 0
pos = -400, -200, 0
pos = 400, -200, 0
pl_pos = 0, 0, 500

The last thing is, that in your EW05.ini you have:

faction_weight = fc_or_grp, 1
faction_weight = fc_ou_grp, 1
faction_weight = fc_n_grp, 20
encounter = area_scout, 19, 0.280000
faction = fc_or_grp, 0.800000 <--
faction = fc_ou_grp, 0.200000 <--
encounter = area_gunboats, 19, 0.200000
faction = fc_n_grp, 1.000000 <--
encounter = area_battleships, 19, 1.000000
faction = fc_n_grp, 1 <--

If you take the number of each faction, together it should be 1.
So you could make:

faction = fc_or_grp, 0.300000
faction = fc_ou_grp, 0.200000
faction = fc_n_grp, 0.500000

Of course, if you have one faction several times it will be more:

faction = fc_or_grp, 0.300000
faction = fc_ou_grp, 0.200000
faction = fc_n_grp, 0.500000
faction = fc_n_grp, 0.500000

I hope this helps! If not, post the entries in all of these files and I will look through it again.

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:07 am by Chips

Basically, redo the part for battleship encounters tutorial by Nephilim to use the nomad ships instead, and give it to nomad faction :p. At least you have something to follow at that point

Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:57 pm by Ro9ue

Yes! Thanks so much, guys! I am not 100% certain what was wrong with my files, but I think it was probably my encounter file. I must have had the wrong think in this line (I still don't know what this means/points to, though):
"formation_by_class = battleships"

But I do have encounters now! Thanks so very much for the help, but I have one more question: If I make more ships in the encounters file, like this (this is the encounter file that works now):
[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_battleships
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 5, 5, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = battleships
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation
permutation = 0, 3

changed to this:

[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_battleships
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 5, 5, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = battleships
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 6, 4, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 6, 4, sc_fighters
pilot_job = defend_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = battleships
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite

[Creation
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 3

Is this a valid format? And if so, Do I need to change anything else to make this work? If this is wrong, could you perhaps give me a pointer as to how I can have about 3 or 4 battleships in an encounter? Or is that even possible?

Again, I am so very thankful for the help; these Nomad Battleships and Gunboats, equipped with capitalship shields, new turrets, Nomad Cruise Disruptors, and Nomad Torpedoes are boatloads of fun to fight!! I will try to upload some pics to a website before too much longer, but until then, you;ll have to take my word for it

Thanks once again

Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:58 am by Nephilim

For more carnage, copy-paste this block into your capitalships_nomads.ini:

<pre>
[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_battleships
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 7, sc_battleships
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = battleships
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite
</pre>

<pre>
[EncounterFormation
ship_by_class = 1, 1, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_leader_job
make_class = wanderer
ship_by_class = 1, 7, sc_gunboats
pilot_job = assault_job
make_class = wanderer
formation_by_class = gunboats
behavior = wander
arrival = cruise
allow_simultaneous_creation = no
zone_creation_distance = 0
times_to_create = infinite
</pre>

<pre>
[Creation
permutation = 0, 3
permutation = 1, 3
</pre>

That will spawn a fleet of 1 lead battleship and between 1 to 7 escorts, and another fleet of 1 lead gunboat escorted by 1 to 7 wingsnakes. Happy hunting.

Edited by - Nephilim on 6/15/2004 5:59:51 AM

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