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why they didnt finish it

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Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:27 am

why they didnt finish it

I read a thread that came to the conclusion MS had pretty much forced DA to push out freelancer before they were done putting in all the cool stuff, and thats why theres all the extra stuff that isnt in the game, and why the game just feels like there should be so much more.

Just now i read a thread about how MS is going to release Freelancer on the Xbox this summer, and a number of people remarked about how it would really suck if MS released a "new and improved" version to only Xbox.

I put these two ideas together and came up with a scary but logical conclusion: MS knows FreeLancer is a really kickass game, so they did only a partial PC release of the game before they made their Xbox release. For those of you who dont know, the Xbox is MS's pet, in the past they've released all the games they thought were going to be really sweet to the Xbox before they made their PC release. For some of these games, the PC release had a lot more content than the Xbox release. The PC community was always annoyed each time a game was realeased to the Xbox before it was released to the PC, and freelancer's release to the PC before the Xbox may be MS trying to make the PC community happy.

I think MS is trying to do things the other way around this time: make a partial PC release and then release the completed version on the Xbox. It makes good business sense to do that: get a lot of people to like a game and spread word about it, but with the undertone that there was a lot more the game should have been, and then release the Xbox version "with content added" that's really the badass, rightful incarnation of the completed game.

Something else that supports this idea is the limited graphics of the game. PCGamer commented in their review about how the graphics seem a little dated, and attributed it to how long the game was in development for. But aren't the hardware specs just about perfect for the Xbox?

This could be the reason why MS/DA has done nothing whatsoever to support the mod community, even though the game was made in such an open fashion that it just begged to be modded. I mean, there's only two conclusions you can come up with if you look only at the file system of the install: either the game was unfinished and they never got around to putting everything into nice neat packages, or the game was designed with modding in mind. If the game was designed with modding in mind, then why is MS/DA so unsupportive?

It may be that MS plans to pretty much ignore the PC community and focus everything they have into the Xbox community, or that MS will start supporting the PC community once they release to Xbox. Regretfully, my mind leans toward the first of those two options, even though I dearly hope for the second. No matter what, we can probably expect to not hear a peep from MS until the Xbox release.

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:30 am

I dont know if I thought of everything, so if you have any ideas or comments, please post.

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:15 pm

bishop this sounds like an x-files episode.
I disagree.

I think marketting is highly complicated but the bottom line is about money. If MS pushed for a FL release that was crap they run the risk of a bad reputation for the game and also less sales on the pc release. i guess it comes down to whether they think they can delay the game any further or what-not. I'd say there's a chance that an XBox FL would have more features than the PC one. That's just how things are these days. If it comes out after why not fix a few things during the port. It also lets the publicity say "with even more features!"

Just my ideas.

kumari "Why can't we all just... get along?"

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:30 pm

it may be incomplete in some people's eyes because of the things that were removed, but maybe those things were removed not because they weren't finished, but because they complicated things too much. i dont see the game as incomplete. anything more would be extra.


Yep. I'm obsessed with the Star Wars mod.

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:57 pm

well, i regard the game as unfinished.

there are things missing that even existed in privateer 1 and 2 (for example some actual NEWS), engines, cloaking devices and so on...
plus the story seemed very short in my eyes, i could bet it was planned to be longer.

concerning this idea about a "full" release on the xbox, im quite sure M$ would then sell an addon for FL on PC...

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:40 pm

Chris Roberts walked from Digital Anvil when MS took over... nothing to do with the X-Box, or "holding back". The unfinished stuff is simply cause Chris' ideas didn't get fully implemented; MS wanted the game out without wanting to spend yet more time in development, like Siddious suggested.

The X-Box release will in all likelyhood be the same as the PC ver (perhaps including the first patch). I wouldn't expect improvements on the scale of even some of our modest mods, like the 'engine components' or more mission types. After all, it looks like Freelancer went well with the regular players (from the tone of various reviews); "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", as they say. As for add-ons, who knows? Think about all the other MS games. How often did those get the required bugfixes or addons?

" In Defeat, Malice; In Victory, Revenge[! "

Post Sun Apr 20, 2003 4:59 pm

yall... i hate to think that bishop may b right on where his mind sits... but... once again as in past posts by myself i only have 2 words that i hope will "complete" the game: "Official Patch" i really hope that DA will continue to work and release a patch that give the game that finally finished feel... i have another view as to why it feels incomplete but it could be a spoiler and get this thread locked so i wont post it... thats my opnion and i hope that DA and MS wont abandon the RULERZ OF THE UNIVERSE!! err.... i mean.... the PC gamer community... yea thats righ... screw it... WE RULE THE UNIVERSE!!! HAHAHA

Space... it's so.... big..... you can't exactly meet me in a dark allyway either...... so I'll just annihilate you now....... okey dokey?

*good luck and god speed to our troops in Iraq[!*

Post Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:57 pm

why are we mad about it i mean if pc release was complete there was a working cloak upgrades ship importer system builder we would not need this site and dont meet eachother

i am only atacking the people who want to kill me but what if they kill me first

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